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Re: Rival Watch

by South Coast Royal » 16 May 2023 11:14

Slow down chaps.

I like the positivity but let's not forget that the back 4 or 5 that we expect to be with us again next season had almost the worst record in the division.
Unlike Sheffield Wednesday we don't have a Barry Bannan to run games-we do have a Tom Ince and his retention could be vital to our chances next season.
We still have Andy Carroll who will hopefully stay mainly injury free.
We still have Ejaria who we hope will be reborn.

Apart from those we will have a number of new signings and loans which will have to be as good as last season's at the very least for us to make a promotion challenge. -a statement of the obvious perhaps but without it I don't see us necessarily challenging.
So, recruitment of players ready to perform at this new level is vital and, if Ince were to leave, a midfield playmaker would be essential as we haven't recently created enough chances to win matches let alone keep the opposition out..

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Re: Rival Watch

by NathStPaul » 16 May 2023 11:23

Tom Ince can go in the bin.

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Re: Rival Watch

by SouthDownsRoyal » 16 May 2023 11:40

NathStPaul Tom Ince can go in the bin.


LOL

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 16 May 2023 12:08

We all know what we want and hope for, just as long as we're not throwing our toys and demanding yet more change if we miss out but are still safe.

Brick by brick. Learn from failure, not just scrap everything and start again.

We should not be the sort of team that sacks a manager in January for being 11th.

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Re: Rival Watch

by tidus_mi2 » 16 May 2023 12:13

South Coast Royal Slow down chaps.

I like the positivity but let's not forget that the back 4 or 5 that we expect to be with us again next season had almost the worst record in the division.
Unlike Sheffield Wednesday we don't have a Barry Bannan to run games-we do have a Tom Ince and his retention could be vital to our chances next season.
We still have Andy Carroll who will hopefully stay mainly injury free.
We still have Ejaria who we hope will be reborn.

Apart from those we will have a number of new signings and loans which will have to be as good as last season's at the very least for us to make a promotion challenge. -a statement of the obvious perhaps but without it I don't see us necessarily challenging.
So, recruitment of players ready to perform at this new level is vital and, if Ince were to leave, a midfield playmaker would be essential as we haven't recently created enough chances to win matches let alone keep the opposition out..

We're not going to be conceding as many attacking opportunities as we have done in recent seasons for a start. Add to that, a competent manager should be able to put a good team and tactics together for the division, despite everything that has happened we are, as of right now, a big fish in a small pond when it comes to League One, if we allow a decline to set in that could change, hopefully not.


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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 16 May 2023 12:22

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South Coast Royal Slow down chaps.

I like the positivity but let's not forget that the back 4 or 5 that we expect to be with us again next season had almost the worst record in the division.
Unlike Sheffield Wednesday we don't have a Barry Bannan to run games-we do have a Tom Ince and his retention could be vital to our chances next season.
We still have Andy Carroll who will hopefully stay mainly injury free.
We still have Ejaria who we hope will be reborn.

Apart from those we will have a number of new signings and loans which will have to be as good as last season's at the very least for us to make a promotion challenge. -a statement of the obvious perhaps but without it I don't see us necessarily challenging.
So, recruitment of players ready to perform at this new level is vital and, if Ince were to leave, a midfield playmaker would be essential as we haven't recently created enough chances to win matches let alone keep the opposition out..

We're not going to be conceding as many attacking opportunities as we have done in recent seasons for a start. Add to that, a competent manager should be able to put a good team and tactics together for the division, despite everything that has happened we are, as of right now, a big fish in a small pond when it comes to League One, if we allow a decline to set in that could change, hopefully not.



Key will be a COMPETENT manager for this level, someone with a determined plan to build a team around the likes of Carroll and Ince and who can develop a suitable playing style esp. as Carroll offers more than a just a head to aim at. Defence can be coached but given they've had 2 seasons together and are used to a losing mentality it's probably the area in most need of work and especially need some pace in there (but then can say that throughout the squad).

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Re: Rival Watch

by paultheroyal » 16 May 2023 12:35

if they keep that defence together and dont lose many they should be fine. Apart from that 'boro mauling we actually had stopped shipping loads of goals. Sarr, Holmes, Mbengue (if stays) NGW (if stays) Yiadom, Mcintyre is decent. For me its creating and scoring goals. That was abysmal. Coincided with Ince going, if he is committed, with a proven goalscorer at this level, with some actual decent wingers, we should have a good season. Imperative we get off to a quick start and a new, right manager is appointed quickly. That man is Wilder.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 16 May 2023 12:45

Yeah wouldn’t disagree with that. If ejaria hangs about I think him, Ince and Azeez should be able to create but we should be prioritising bringing someone creative in. Along with a solid CM.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Pepe the Horseman » 16 May 2023 13:05

Cardiff have sacked Lamouchi. Expect Nathan Jones will be their next manager.


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Re: Rival Watch

by NathStPaul » 16 May 2023 13:06

Pepe the Horseman Cardiff have sacked Lamouchi. Expect Nathan Jones will be their next manager.

Yep, right up his alley.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Orion1871 » 16 May 2023 14:33

Cardiff suing Nantes for lost performance revenue over Sala.

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Re: Rival Watch

by PATRIQT » 16 May 2023 15:04

Pepe the Horseman Cardiff have sacked Lamouchi. Expect Nathan Jones will be their next manager.


As long as they leave Wilder alone.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Pepe the Horseman » 16 May 2023 15:05

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Pepe the Horseman Cardiff have sacked Lamouchi. Expect Nathan Jones will be their next manager.


As long as they leave Wilder alone.

Wilder's a Swansea fan and has previously said he'd never manage Cardiff.


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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 16 May 2023 15:19

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Pepe the Horseman Cardiff have sacked Lamouchi. Expect Nathan Jones will be their next manager.


As long as they leave Wilder alone.

Wilder's a Swansea fan and has previously said he'd never manage Cardiff.


So was that before or after he grew up supporting Sheffield United?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Pepe the Horseman » 16 May 2023 15:45

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As long as they leave Wilder alone.

Wilder's a Swansea fan and has previously said he'd never manage Cardiff.


So was that before or after he grew up supporting Sheffield United?

Before. He grew up in Merthyr Tydfil. He supported Swansea, but always had a soft spot for Sheff Utd after meeting Brian Deane at a charity ball.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Green » 16 May 2023 15:48

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Pepe the Horseman Wilder's a Swansea fan and has previously said he'd never manage Cardiff.


So was that before or after he grew up supporting Sheffield United?

Before. He grew up in Merthyr Tydfil. He supported Swansea, but always had a soft spot for Sheff Utd after meeting Brian Deane at a charity ball.

Must've been quite a night.

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Re: Rival Watch

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 16 May 2023 16:25

Snowflake Royal We all know what we want and hope for, just as long as we're not throwing our toys and demanding yet more change if we miss out but are still safe.

Brick by brick. Learn from failure, not just scrap everything and start again.

We should not be the sort of team that sacks a manager in January for being 11th.


We aren't the sort of team who hastily sacks an underperforming manager, in fact we are the exact opposite, we keep hold of most for too long (Ince, Pauno, Stam and I'd argue even Clement). So by not sacking an underperforming manager, that's not learning from previous mistakes.

If the demands are to be challenging for promotion next season, with the play offs being a minimum, then if we are 11th come January I'd be expecting the manager to be under a huge amount of pressure, particularly if the manager is a high profile name like Chris Wilder.

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Re: Rival Watch

by South Coast Royal » 16 May 2023 16:38

Tidius wrote:-
We're not going to be conceding as many attacking opportunities as we have done in recent seasons for a start.

You say that as if it is a fact.
Let us hope that they do better-they surely need to.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 16 May 2023 17:31

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Snowflake Royal We all know what we want and hope for, just as long as we're not throwing our toys and demanding yet more change if we miss out but are still safe.

Brick by brick. Learn from failure, not just scrap everything and start again.

We should not be the sort of team that sacks a manager in January for being 11th.


We aren't the sort of team who hastily sacks an underperforming manager, in fact we are the exact opposite, we keep hold of most for too long (Ince, Pauno, Stam and I'd argue even Clement). So by not sacking an underperforming manager, that's not learning from previous mistakes.

If the demands are to be challenging for promotion next season, with the play offs being a minimum, then if we are 11th come January I'd be expecting the manager to be under a huge amount of pressure, particularly if the manager is a high profile name like Chris Wilder.

Clement managed 30 games. A few of them at the end of 1 season.

20 ish is not giving someone too long. Sacking Rodgers in ~22 games after taking us from POs to relegation threatened is about right. But relegation threatened to relegation threatened is pretty damn quick.

Adkins probably went a bit quick. McDermott2 and Bowen were sacked too soon. Many think McDermott1.

We got rid of Gomes quick.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Notts Royal » 16 May 2023 22:08

Very muted celebration by Luton for reaching Wembley there lol. Half of them look like they don’t know how to celebrate!

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