Anyone For Chinese?

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Royal_jimmy » 15 Jun 2023 21:14

He needs to sell. Just don't think anyone genuine will buy us

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by WestYorksRoyal » 15 Jun 2023 22:02

Royal_jimmy He needs to sell. Just don't think anyone genuine will buy us

Potential is there with the facilities, catchment area and relatively recent history. We're probably available at a knock down price right now given recent issues. Wait another couple of years and we'll be even more of a bargain though.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by NathStPaul » 15 Jun 2023 22:04

Royal_jimmy He needs to sell. Just don't think anyone genuine will buy us

You think fake people will buy us? Who is your money on? Logan Roy must be a contender.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Sutekh » 16 Jun 2023 04:46

Robert de Niro's waiting....

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by WestYorksRoyal » 16 Jun 2023 10:19

Looking back on the SJM era, I think his plan was always to invest and build the club up to a point, create a saleable asset and then find a new owner who could a) give him a profit on his investment and b) build upon his work and take us to the next level.

Clearly phase 1 was outstanding in hindsight, but it was clear by the end that he was treading water. Can the chaos that followed undo his work and undermine his legacy?

I would actually argue not. Even with another relegation, we remain far more saleable with the SCL, training facilities and relatively recent success. If we have further to fall, it just makes us even more of a bargain to an investor with a plan and ambition. The potential is all still there.


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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by tmesis » 16 Jun 2023 10:34

WestYorksRoyal I would actually argue not. Even with another relegation, we remain far more saleable with the SCL, training facilities and relatively recent success. If we have further to fall, it just makes us even more of a bargain to an investor with a plan and ambition. The potential is all still there.

The question remains though - what exactly would a new owner be buying? A club that has no fixed assets, that's well in excess of £100 million in debt, commited to paying around £1 million in rent each year for the stadium.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Sutekh » 16 Jun 2023 11:31

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WestYorksRoyal I would actually argue not. Even with another relegation, we remain far more saleable with the SCL, training facilities and relatively recent success. If we have further to fall, it just makes us even more of a bargain to an investor with a plan and ambition. The potential is all still there.

The question remains though - what exactly would a new owner be buying? A club that has no fixed assets, that's well in excess of £100 million in debt, commited to paying around £1 million in rent each year for the stadium.


Debt pretty much all to the same bloke though and said bloke also owns the company that owns the stadium so not as if prospective owners would have to negotiate with several different parties which is a better position than at a lot of clubs.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Royal_jimmy » 16 Jun 2023 11:42

There's no way that Dai will get more than a small fraction of his debt re-paid. If he wants shot of the club he'll have to write most of it off. He may still want Renhe to own the stadium but £1m or whatever the rent is per season is peanuts vs what he's invested.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Green » 16 Jun 2023 13:22

Not sure why but the thread title still makes me chuckle.


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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Jun 2023 14:47

tmesis
WestYorksRoyal I would actually argue not. Even with another relegation, we remain far more saleable with the SCL, training facilities and relatively recent success. If we have further to fall, it just makes us even more of a bargain to an investor with a plan and ambition. The potential is all still there.

The question remains though - what exactly would a new owner be buying? A club that has no fixed assets, that's well in excess of £100 million in debt, commited to paying around £1 million in rent each year for the stadium.

There's no reason a buyer for the club wouldn’t also buy the stadium and training ground. If only to be able to fiddle the finances later by selling them to themselves like Dai did.

Those assets have limited value without the club. The stadium especially given what its built on.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by WestYorksRoyal » 16 Jun 2023 15:07

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WestYorksRoyal I would actually argue not. Even with another relegation, we remain far more saleable with the SCL, training facilities and relatively recent success. If we have further to fall, it just makes us even more of a bargain to an investor with a plan and ambition. The potential is all still there.

The question remains though - what exactly would a new owner be buying? A club that has no fixed assets, that's well in excess of £100 million in debt, commited to paying around £1 million in rent each year for the stadium.

There's no reason a buyer for the club wouldn’t also buy the stadium and training ground. If only to be able to fiddle the finances later by selling them to themselves like Dai did.

Those assets have limited value without the club. The stadium especially given what its built on.

Dai can't play hardball on the ground. A ground without a team to play there is worthless

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by tmesis » 16 Jun 2023 21:38

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tmesis The question remains though - what exactly would a new owner be buying? A club that has no fixed assets, that's well in excess of £100 million in debt, commited to paying around £1 million in rent each year for the stadium.

There's no reason a buyer for the club wouldn’t also buy the stadium and training ground. If only to be able to fiddle the finances later by selling them to themselves like Dai did.

Those assets have limited value without the club. The stadium especially given what its built on.

Dai can't play hardball on the ground. A ground without a team to play there is worthless

On the other hand he would also know that the clubs needs the Madejski, as there's no other viable option if Reading are to remain a League club.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by PATRIQT » 16 Jun 2023 22:42

Royal_jimmy He needs to sell. Just don't think anyone genuine will buy us


Not with Kia looking for the buyer...


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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by PATRIQT » 16 Jun 2023 22:42

WestYorksRoyal Dai can't play hardball on the ground. A ground without a team to play there is worthless


Coventry is an example as to how Dai could play hard ball and we could end up without a home.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Uke » 17 Jun 2023 02:00

WRTTOP I think I’d prefer an Indian now

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Royal_jimmy » 17 Jun 2023 02:03

A nice lamb madras :twisted:

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Uke » 17 Jun 2023 02:05

Royal_jimmy A nice lamb madras :twisted:


Literally my go to curry (with 2 chapatis)

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Royal_jimmy » 20 Jun 2023 22:27

Dai's reaction when we went behind against Wigan shows enough of a clue where we stand. He must have lost interest in us otherwise none of this would be happening. Probably rather throw £6m at us now and find a buyer than us go bust and we are worthless as there's no club left.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by elrey » 21 Jun 2023 04:50

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tmesis The question remains though - what exactly would a new owner be buying? A club that has no fixed assets, that's well in excess of £100 million in debt, commited to paying around £1 million in rent each year for the stadium.

There's no reason a buyer for the club wouldn’t also buy the stadium and training ground. If only to be able to fiddle the finances later by selling them to themselves like Dai did.

Those assets have limited value without the club. The stadium especially given what its built on.

Dai can't play hardball on the ground. A ground without a team to play there is worthless


Hardly worthless, it's land, and it's near a motorway, people will pay a lot for that land.

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Re: Anyone For Chinese?

by Snowflake Royal » 21 Jun 2023 12:12

elrey
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Snowflake Royal There's no reason a buyer for the club wouldn’t also buy the stadium and training ground. If only to be able to fiddle the finances later by selling them to themselves like Dai did.

Those assets have limited value without the club. The stadium especially given what its built on.

Dai can't play hardball on the ground. A ground without a team to play there is worthless


Hardly worthless, it's land, and it's near a motorway, people will pay a lot for that land.

Built on a refuse site. It's not good for much.

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