Embargos, HMRC Payment defaults, non payment of wages, the usual under Dai Wrongge

[Notts Royal]

I know this will be an outlier opinion but I'm going to say it anyway: Dai isn't doing a wonderful job is he?

Well funny you should mention it, but some of the fanbase see Dai as completely innocent in this

[Notts Royal]

Don’t know why it’s taking them so long to make any decision on it. Pretty rubbish really, stabdard EFL

They must have a template for this kind of offence, should be fairly black and white. When did they make the charge - about a month ago wasnt it?

Do find docking points a weird punishment for delayed payment of wages as it is. Not sure how that helps anything. It’s not ‘cheating’ like breaking ffp is. Players getting a double punishment of not being paid on time then punished again by docking the team points that they’ve earned

Better to ensure money is set aside and if it isn’t the league withhold the payments they give the club instead

Agree with this. Should be black and white, and it should be common knowledge what each offence incurs in terms of points, and when they are applied. However, they seem to dish them out whenever they feel like it.

[East Grinstead Royal]

Brian Stabler is Finance Director, he should know.

He retired earlier this year.

He's still listed as FD on the club's website.

[blythspartan]

Maybe after today’s friendly and the money they get from Royals TV they’ll be able to pay the tax bill.

[Sutekh]

He retired earlier this year.

He's still listed as FD on the club's website.

You mean the same website that still had Paul Ince listed as first team manager on 1 July 2023?

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Is there a press conf after the game?

[Lower West]

He's still listed as FD on the club's website.

You mean the same website that still had Paul Ince listed as first team manager on 1 July 2023?

Another cost saving measure. Or some unpaid bills.......

[Royals and Racers]

Brian Stabler is Finance Director, he should know.

Now Graham Odell

[RG30]

He retired earlier this year.

He's still listed as FD on the club's website.

Doesn’t it show Kelly Chambers as Women’s Manager? At least it did when I last checked.

[windermereROYAL]

The team news today will be interesting, if Wing and Savage are missing if could be concerning.
Will Selles be there? it`s not a given.

[Elm Park Kid]

Don’t know why it’s taking them so long to make any decision on it. Pretty rubbish really, stabdard EFL

They must have a template for this kind of offence, should be fairly black and white. When did they make the charge - about a month ago wasnt it?

Do find docking points a weird punishment for delayed payment of wages as it is. Not sure how that helps anything. It’s not ‘cheating’ like breaking ffp is. Players getting a double punishment of not being paid on time then punished again by docking the team points that they’ve earned

Better to ensure money is set aside and if it isn’t the league withhold the payments they give the club instead

Agree with this. Should be black and white, and it should be common knowledge what each offence incurs in terms of points, and when they are applied. However, they seem to dish them out whenever they feel like it.

The point of punishment is to deter 'bad behaviour' right? The EFL wants to put a disincentive for owners to not pay players/staff properly as a 'tactic' for dealing with financial difficulties. No one forced Dai to spend the money he did last season on loan players and the like - we got relegated anyway, it wouldn't have made any difference if we put out a youth team every match. At least then we'd have had the reserves in our account to pay staff on time. But Dai (or whoever was making decisions) deciding to gamble that we'd be ok to do both - and when we lost that gamble the staff 'suffered'.

Sure, the points deduction doesn't help anything right now. But then sending someone to prison for financial fraud doesn't 'help' anything - but it does send out a message that this is the consequence of making irresponsible decisions. It's an absolute travesty that any club with a £16m income doesn't pay people on time, a disgrace. And the EFL is right to make that clear - if anything the punishment should be significantly harsher.

[Hound]

Fully up for harsh punishment - but feel it should be fines and the suggestion I made rather than points deductions

I feel it’s more of a punishment on the players/fans than those responsible - ie the owners. And it’s not like any advantage is given unlike breaking ffp

[windermereROYAL]

Chelsea were fined £8.6m yesterday for breaching FFP regulations, loose change to them, one rule for the elite and another for the rest of us....

[Hound]

Anyway we’re now under a new embargo for breaking the owing money to the hmrc for 30 day+ thing

So no transfer or loan fees for 3 windows apparently

Not great news

[windermereROYAL]

Savage playing, still no Wing, no Smith either.

[Sutekh]

Chelsea were fined £8.6m yesterday for breaching FFP regulations, loose change to them, one rule for the elite and another for the rest of us....

Exactly where points deductions should be used, the higher up the pyramid the more meaningless fines become. £8.6m to Chelsea is just loose change from the back of the sofa to them. Should have had 10 points deducted or something drastic to make people take note.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Anyway we’re now under a new embargo for breaking the owing money to the hmrc for 30 day+ thing

So no transfer or loan fees for 3 windows apparently

Not great news

Pretty much everyone in L1 is in that boat though.

My understanding is we can still sign frees and loans for 6 months if our first team squad is less than 23 players, is that correct?

[Sutekh]

Anyway we’re now under a new embargo for breaking the owing money to the hmrc for 30 day+ thing

So no transfer or loan fees for 3 windows apparently

Not great news

Pretty much everyone in L1 is in that boat though.

My understanding is we can still sign frees and loans for 6 months if our first team squad is less than 23 players, is that correct?

The embargo simply means Reading cannot sign anyone at all until they pay the outstanding HMRC bill. Once it's paid it back to trying to persuade loans and free agents that they want to come and play for this footballing mess.

[Hound]

Anyway we’re now under a new embargo for breaking the owing money to the hmrc for 30 day+ thing

So no transfer or loan fees for 3 windows apparently

Not great news

Pretty much everyone in L1 is in that boat though.

My understanding is we can still sign frees and loans for 6 months if our first team squad is less than 23 players, is that correct?

Yeah agree in itself isn’t a big drama

Caps on wages would be more of an issue

[Snowflake Royal]

Fully up for harsh punishment - but feel it should be fines and the suggestion I made rather than points deductions

I feel it’s more of a punishment on the players/fans than those responsible - ie the owners. And it’s not like any advantage is given unlike breaking ffp

All fines do is make the financial situation worse and mean there's less money to pay players.

People would just piss and moan about the FL forcing us into administration.

Right now there's rumours that Dai is refusing FL demands to front up money to pay staff. How do you think they're going to collect a fine if he isn't paying players / HMRC?