#SellBeforeWeDai Action/Inaction Group

[Winston Biscuit]

Brum look to have taken around £4.5M from the sale of Bellingham to Real Madrid and could take another £1.3M if the add ons are triggered by his achievements at Real Madrid

Thats on top of the £25M basic they took in 2020 with possible extra add ons paid too

[Jagermesiter1871]

So, what are the options for protests and which, if any, will do any good?

Why will Dai pay any attention to half-a-dozen tennis balls on the pitch or half a stand refusing to leave at the end of the match? Surely these things are no more harmful to him that losing 3 points.

Also, how does the logic from the EFL of the club don't have the money to pay the wages therefore let's demand even more money off of them work? Surely we were set up to fail.

Principles of protest:
1) Must not make the club's position worse, i.e. trigger fines, point deductions, games cancelled, negative press coverage of violence/arrests etc.
2) Must be convenient and accessible to the vast majority of fans, for example, happen when they are already congregated at and intending to be at the ground normally.
3) Must be communicated to the fanbase widely through multiple channels in advance, with clear instructions on what is happening
4) Must not alienate players and staff, should be buttressed by clear support of players and staff at games. Show the positive noise we can make, and the negative.
5) Must be a very public loss of face for the owner
6) Must have no expectations of quick, short term success. Protest is a long game.

Ideally should try to know its place and expertise and not make ludicrous claims, demands or pretend it knows how to run a club. Some realism and humility will help spread the message better.

So, banners, chanting, pre-game marches. Sit someone vocal near Dim and Mick's booth and lots of loud but clean messages over their commentary. One of those coordinated displays pre-game like we've done with the hoops around the stadium, but with a different message... or the massive STAR flag. Local and national media. Flood the club with letters of complaint.

absolutely none of those suggestions will work. On the pitch. Refuse to move will make national headlines.

[Silver Fox]

Brum look to have taken around £4.5M from the sale of Bellingham to Real Madrid and could take another £1.3M if the add ons are triggered by his achievements at Real Madrid

Thats on top of the £25M basic they took in 2020 with possible extra add ons paid too

Absolute disgrace that Dai has missed out on this windfall

[Snowflake Royal]

So, what are the options for protests and which, if any, will do any good?

Why will Dai pay any attention to half-a-dozen tennis balls on the pitch or half a stand refusing to leave at the end of the match? Surely these things are no more harmful to him that losing 3 points.

Also, how does the logic from the EFL of the club don't have the money to pay the wages therefore let's demand even more money off of them work? Surely we were set up to fail.

Principles of protest:
1) Must not make the club's position worse, i.e. trigger fines, point deductions, games cancelled, negative press coverage of violence/arrests etc.
2) Must be convenient and accessible to the vast majority of fans, for example, happen when they are already congregated at and intending to be at the ground normally.
3) Must be communicated to the fanbase widely through multiple channels in advance, with clear instructions on what is happening
4) Must not alienate players and staff, should be buttressed by clear support of players and staff at games. Show the positive noise we can make, and the negative.
5) Must be a very public loss of face for the owner
6) Must have no expectations of quick, short term success. Protest is a long game.

Ideally should try to know its place and expertise and not make ludicrous claims, demands or pretend it knows how to run a club. Some realism and humility will help spread the message better.

So, banners, chanting, pre-game marches. Sit someone vocal near Dim and Mick's booth and lots of loud but clean messages over their commentary. One of those coordinated displays pre-game like we've done with the hoops around the stadium, but with a different message... or the massive STAR flag. Local and national media. Flood the club with letters of complaint.

absolutely none of those suggestions will work. On the pitch. Refuse to move will make national headlines.

And fines and points deductions. Way to guarantee L2.

[Orion1871]

I know "it's support the team, not the regime" but unfortunately to get the point across protests during games are a lot more noticeable to both people on the outside and those fans (basically the Prawn sandwich brigade in the west stand) who aren't as militant as others.

To truly make the owner notice you are going to maybe have to risk upsetting the manager and the players. They don't deserve it, but it's the only way the hierarchy might take some notice.

[morganb]

If the manager/players are as hacked off with the situation as the fans then perhaps we need to get them on-side.

If they think that even if they win a game and get 3 points that those points are subsequently going to get deducted, perhaps they should just go out and lose a game 99-0 - that would get us some (worldwide) news coverage. Then in the post match interview they can explain the reason for the record-breaking loss... Dai won't be able to sack/punish the whole team.

[Stranded]

If the manager/players are as hacked off with the situation as the fans then perhaps we need to get them on-side.

If they think that even if they win a game and get 3 points that those points are subsequently going to get deducted, perhaps they should just go out and lose a game 99-0 - that would get us some (worldwide) news coverage. Then in the post match interview they can explain the reason for the record-breaking loss... Dai won't be able to sack/punish the whole team.

Whilst you are clearly taking the mick a little bit here - there would be something quite spectacular about a side just sitting down when the whistle blows and letting Bolton walk through them to score in protest at the situation the club finds itself in.

[East Grinstead Royal]

It really would be good to know what Bowen, Selles and the players would like the supporters to do. Modern footballers are so separate from the supporters, that there is little chance to find out. I wonder if STAR have a route in?

[NathStPaul]

It really would be good to know what Bowen, Selles and the players would like the supporters to do. Modern footballers are so separate from the supporters, that there is little chance to find out. I wonder if STAR have a route in?

STAR are coach bookers. The only route they have is the route up to Blackpool for the next away game.

[WestYorksRoyal]

It really would be good to know what Bowen, Selles and the players would like the supporters to do. Modern footballers are so separate from the supporters, that there is little chance to find out. I wonder if STAR have a route in?

I'm sure the players care about the club, but let's not forget that this is their career too. They'll want to show that they can be professional and get on with things. While they will know protests are not directed at them, I doubt they want to see protest and disruption. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't. We'll still be here in a decade; I doubt any of them will be. Perhaps Bindon and Abbey as our PL pairing at the back if things take an unexpected turn.

[Lower West]

It really would be good to know what Bowen, Selles and the players would like the supporters to do. Modern footballers are so separate from the supporters, that there is little chance to find out. I wonder if STAR have a route in?

Support the team. Dai has never shown any inclination to come out of the shadows. Never will. Will always remain an enigma.

[morganb]

Rumours circulating on Twitter that Mr Dai will be at tomorrow's game - glutton for punishment or unable to read the room?

Perhaps he stuffed his trouser pockets full of readies before leaving China and aims to pay the wages/HMRC in cash?

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Rumours circulating on Twitter that Mr Dai will be at tomorrow's game - glutton for punishment or unable to read the room?

Perhaps he stuffed his trouser pockets full of readies before leaving China and aims to pay the wages/HMRC in cash?

There's a lot of stuff on Twitter that is likely rubbish atm...

No one has a clue currently as to how the wages have been funded in recent months, and if Dai is contributing at all.

It could well be that the financial people smelt the coffee in the early summer and put the Puscas money aside which is covering the wages atm.

[Royals and Racers]

Open letter to Ruben and the players published about the protests planned for today.

[Webster750]

Sell Before We Dai’s most recent statement/letter

[WestYorksRoyal]

Sell Before We Dai’s most recent statement/letter

They haven't got everything right, but that's a brilliant letter.

[JR]

its not the fans fault that the chairman is in financial shit despite his assertions otherwise.

It's not other clubs in the league's fault that Reading signed 17 players during the Summer that they may have been interested in - including some nice hot young prospects - but didnt do so because Reading outbid them and they couldnt afford them as a result.

A points deduction is to maintain sporting integrity and to stop clubs signging players and denying them from other clubs which they can't actually afford.

Thought you were smarter than the "its not fair that the club i support is breaking rules left right and centre but shouldnt get sanctioned because it only sanctions the fans" crowd.

It's not about the 17 players we signed you thick oxf*rd,they were all on frees or with big sell on's
It's about the fact that the owner was given til the 12th to deposit 1.25 m into an account to cover any future shortfalls.
He will be given until next month to deposit the money or we will have a further 3 points deducted.
Which won't be able to pay and at that point we are nailed on to be in L 2 next season

Does it say anywhere that we need to deposit the money next month? I don’t believe so.

3 points were suspended, we didn’t meet the conditions so they became actual.

Any further sanctions would be a new sanction related to non-payment rather than non-deposit.

[Winston Biscuit]

Is there actually any agreed protest today or just individuals doing whatever they want?

[Jagermesiter1871]

Is there actually any agreed protest today or just individuals doing whatever they want?

Freestyle.

[JR]

Sell Before We Dai’s most recent statement/letter

They haven't got everything right, but that's a brilliant letter.

I agree - slightly tarnished by the unnecessary swearing to close out the letter. Thought this supporter group collaboration would want to be seen as inclusive?