by Sanguine » 24 Oct 2023 11:30
by Sanguine » 24 Oct 2023 11:31
AscotexgunnerSanguineAscotexgunner Get rid now before more damage is done. We can't afford to drop another league.
It's out of any manager's control. Our squad is thin and inexperienced.
I keep hearing this "inexperienced" bit.
I don't subscribe to that. How are these players "inexperienced?
We have seen what Abbey, Bindon, Vickers etc can do. Players are bought up for these moments. Do you think Savage is "inexperienced" or any other loanee/signed player from one of the big boys.
Several teams in this league are in the same boat, no money, run on a shoestring as well.
It's why Colin is the most successful EFL manager ever. Like him or loath him he puts his arm round the players and treats them like he owns them, like a father figure. It's unreal that he got Rotherham and Huddersfield out of spiralling failure.
I'm not saying we should take him, but ask yourself this. If Colin or Wilder or another experienced manager were here, would we be so far down the table.and in a death spiral to league 2. I think we wouldn't be this bad.
Selles is sucking every inch of confidence out of this side with his stubbornness.
by Elm Park Kid » 24 Oct 2023 12:04
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2023 12:17
Sanguine In. The manager makes no difference. Unless there is evidence that he has lost the players, of which I've seen none, then stick with him. No-one is going to turn this squad into one that is comfortable from relegation.
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2023 12:20
Elm Park Kid I have to ask this question - does anyone here actually believe, honestly and truthfully, that they would do a better job at managing that club than Selles? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's fun to play keyboard manager and offer alternatives for formation/line up/tactics. But, I just get the feeling that some of you are a bit too convinced in your own assessments.
I mean, ultimately:
1 - None of us are professional football managers (unless there are some secret posters on here).
2 - None of us have even 1% of the information about the squad that Selles has in terms of seeing them train day-in, day-out, their physical/mental state and the positions they want to play in.
No doubt someone will reply "You don't need to be an expert to point out the obvious things that Selles is doing wrong and how to fix them" - To which I would reply, you have to be pretty delusional to believe that you can see 'obvious' things that a professional football manager can't.
We're all perfectly entitled to point out that what Selles is doing isn't working. But I wouldn't for a second believe that I know that answer.
by WestYorksRoyal » 24 Oct 2023 12:26
Elm Park Kid I have to ask this question - does anyone here actually believe, honestly and truthfully, that they would do a better job at managing that club than Selles? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's fun to play keyboard manager and offer alternatives for formation/line up/tactics. But, I just get the feeling that some of you are a bit too convinced in your own assessments.
I mean, ultimately:
1 - None of us are professional football managers (unless there are some secret posters on here).
2 - None of us have even 1% of the information about the squad that Selles has in terms of seeing them train day-in, day-out, their physical/mental state and the positions they want to play in.
No doubt someone will reply "You don't need to be an expert to point out the obvious things that Selles is doing wrong and how to fix them" - To which I would reply, you have to be pretty delusional to believe that you can see 'obvious' things that a professional football manager can't.
We're all perfectly entitled to point out that what Selles is doing isn't working. But I wouldn't for a second believe that I know that answer.
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2023 12:45
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Oct 2023 12:45
Elm Park Kid I have to ask this question - does anyone here actually believe, honestly and truthfully, that they would do a better job at managing that club than Selles? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's fun to play keyboard manager and offer alternatives for formation/line up/tactics. But, I just get the feeling that some of you are a bit too convinced in your own assessments.
I mean, ultimately:
1 - None of us are professional football managers (unless there are some secret posters on here).
2 - None of us have even 1% of the information about the squad that Selles has in terms of seeing them train day-in, day-out, their physical/mental state and the positions they want to play in.
No doubt someone will reply "You don't need to be an expert to point out the obvious things that Selles is doing wrong and how to fix them" - To which I would reply, you have to be pretty delusional to believe that you can see 'obvious' things that a professional football manager can't.
We're all perfectly entitled to point out that what Selles is doing isn't working. But I wouldn't for a second believe that I know that answer.
by Hound » 24 Oct 2023 12:54
YorkshireRoyal99Elm Park Kid I have to ask this question - does anyone here actually believe, honestly and truthfully, that they would do a better job at managing that club than Selles? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's fun to play keyboard manager and offer alternatives for formation/line up/tactics. But, I just get the feeling that some of you are a bit too convinced in your own assessments.
I mean, ultimately:
1 - None of us are professional football managers (unless there are some secret posters on here).
2 - None of us have even 1% of the information about the squad that Selles has in terms of seeing them train day-in, day-out, their physical/mental state and the positions they want to play in.
No doubt someone will reply "You don't need to be an expert to point out the obvious things that Selles is doing wrong and how to fix them" - To which I would reply, you have to be pretty delusional to believe that you can see 'obvious' things that a professional football manager can't.
We're all perfectly entitled to point out that what Selles is doing isn't working. But I wouldn't for a second believe that I know that answer.
Ironically, I think the current manager of Reims, Will Still, has mentioned that some of your FM fanatics could make good coaches. On a separate note, listen to his interview on the Coaches Voice, very good.
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2023 13:28
HoundYorkshireRoyal99Elm Park Kid I have to ask this question - does anyone here actually believe, honestly and truthfully, that they would do a better job at managing that club than Selles? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's fun to play keyboard manager and offer alternatives for formation/line up/tactics. But, I just get the feeling that some of you are a bit too convinced in your own assessments.
I mean, ultimately:
1 - None of us are professional football managers (unless there are some secret posters on here).
2 - None of us have even 1% of the information about the squad that Selles has in terms of seeing them train day-in, day-out, their physical/mental state and the positions they want to play in.
No doubt someone will reply "You don't need to be an expert to point out the obvious things that Selles is doing wrong and how to fix them" - To which I would reply, you have to be pretty delusional to believe that you can see 'obvious' things that a professional football manager can't.
We're all perfectly entitled to point out that what Selles is doing isn't working. But I wouldn't for a second believe that I know that answer.
Ironically, I think the current manager of Reims, Will Still, has mentioned that some of your FM fanatics could make good coaches. On a separate note, listen to his interview on the Coaches Voice, very good.
I do basically agree with EPK that he is basically right, though that’s not to say managers still don’t make blatantly obvious mistakes that could be spotted by fans etc
Most managers and coaches have devoted their life to football, do weeks and weeks of courses, often brought up around football, worked with the best coaches around at some point in their life
There’s so much more it than just tactics as well, man management, fitness, psychology etc
It’s not that the FM managers couldn’t make good coaches, they’d just need to spend a lot of time properly skilling up first
by Royal_jimmy » 24 Oct 2023 13:30
by NathStPaul » 24 Oct 2023 13:35
Royal_jimmy Let's win tonight and go from there, I'm expecting a loss to Pompey so 3 points from the next 2 is acceptable in my view. Long as we don't get smashed.
by Hound » 24 Oct 2023 13:37
Snowflake RoyalHoundYorkshireRoyal99
Ironically, I think the current manager of Reims, Will Still, has mentioned that some of your FM fanatics could make good coaches. On a separate note, listen to his interview on the Coaches Voice, very good.
I do basically agree with EPK that he is basically right, though that’s not to say managers still don’t make blatantly obvious mistakes that could be spotted by fans etc
Most managers and coaches have devoted their life to football, do weeks and weeks of courses, often brought up around football, worked with the best coaches around at some point in their life
There’s so much more it than just tactics as well, man management, fitness, psychology etc
It’s not that the FM managers couldn’t make good coaches, they’d just need to spend a lot of time properly skilling up first
I think it needs what we mean when a manager defined as well.
If you mean running skills and tactics based training sessions. Absolutely not a chance.
If you mean giving broad instructions for coaching to be delivered by your coaching team, man management, general direction, team selection and subsitutions, really not that hard.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Oct 2023 14:03
HoundYorkshireRoyal99Elm Park Kid I have to ask this question - does anyone here actually believe, honestly and truthfully, that they would do a better job at managing that club than Selles? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's fun to play keyboard manager and offer alternatives for formation/line up/tactics. But, I just get the feeling that some of you are a bit too convinced in your own assessments.
I mean, ultimately:
1 - None of us are professional football managers (unless there are some secret posters on here).
2 - None of us have even 1% of the information about the squad that Selles has in terms of seeing them train day-in, day-out, their physical/mental state and the positions they want to play in.
No doubt someone will reply "You don't need to be an expert to point out the obvious things that Selles is doing wrong and how to fix them" - To which I would reply, you have to be pretty delusional to believe that you can see 'obvious' things that a professional football manager can't.
We're all perfectly entitled to point out that what Selles is doing isn't working. But I wouldn't for a second believe that I know that answer.
Ironically, I think the current manager of Reims, Will Still, has mentioned that some of your FM fanatics could make good coaches. On a separate note, listen to his interview on the Coaches Voice, very good.
I do basically agree with EPK that he is basically right, though that’s not to say managers still don’t make blatantly obvious mistakes that could be spotted by fans etc
Most managers and coaches have devoted their life to football, do weeks and weeks of courses, often brought up around football, worked with the best coaches around at some point in their life
There’s so much more it than just tactics as well, man management, fitness, psychology etc
It’s not that the FM managers couldn’t make good coaches, they’d just need to spend a lot of time properly skilling up first
by Sanguine » 24 Oct 2023 14:17
Snowflake RoyalSanguine In. The manager makes no difference. Unless there is evidence that he has lost the players, of which I've seen none, then stick with him. No-one is going to turn this squad into one that is comfortable from relegation.
Don't bother having a manager then, save the money.
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2023 14:27
HoundSnowflake RoyalHound
I do basically agree with EPK that he is basically right, though that’s not to say managers still don’t make blatantly obvious mistakes that could be spotted by fans etc
Most managers and coaches have devoted their life to football, do weeks and weeks of courses, often brought up around football, worked with the best coaches around at some point in their life
There’s so much more it than just tactics as well, man management, fitness, psychology etc
It’s not that the FM managers couldn’t make good coaches, they’d just need to spend a lot of time properly skilling up first
I think it needs what we mean when a manager defined as well.
If you mean running skills and tactics based training sessions. Absolutely not a chance.
If you mean giving broad instructions for coaching to be delivered by your coaching team, man management, general direction, team selection and subsitutions, really not that hard.
But you’d have to get the respect of all that group by genuinely knowing what you are talking about and experiencing it
Man managing rich, Uber competitive yet probably paranoid, self doubting high performance 20 years olds…that definitely isn’t easy for example
by Royal Monkey » 24 Oct 2023 15:19
NathStPaulRoyal_jimmy Let's win tonight and go from there, I'm expecting a loss to Pompey so 3 points from the next 2 is acceptable in my view. Long as we don't get smashed.
If they don't win tonight does Selles have to go?
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2023 15:52
by South Coast Royal » 24 Oct 2023 17:35
Sanguine Bindon 0 (0)
Guinness-Walker 28 (19)
Abbey 3 (0)
Azeez 34 (12)
Craig 2 (0)
Ehibhatiomhan 8 (2)
I return to our squad. Those six players above who all started at Charlton, league appearances and (starts) at the beginning of the season. Three of them had never started a league game, ever. The other three, just 33 league starts between them. And you could find fewer starts than that on our entire bench at the weekend.
We've added some useful experience in midfield in Lewis Wing, but you can't carry a comfortable mid-table season on the back of Wing, Harvey Knibbs' experience with Cambridge, and Sam Smith. This squad would be struggling in League Two.
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2023 21:02
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