MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Clyde1998 » 15 Nov 2023 16:41

Fox Talbot Really impressed with Craig tonight, and in previous cameos. He’s way ahead of Savage and needs to be in the team or bench at very least.

Vickers is a little star.Did more useful and entertaining stuff in 80 mins thanAzeez has managed all season. I’d start him.

Kelvin played well. My first look at Wareham, he looked a possible, put himself about, won a few headers. Mbengue lively but went off injured. Didn’t like Mukairu.

Very enjoyable game. Three pens, two missed, one red card, seven goals, loads of missed chances, a few heavy tackles. Holmes lucky to stay on, thought their guy unlucky to be sent off, nothing more than a stern challenge, Kinibbs was fine a couple of minutes later.

Looked busy going in, maybe 3,000 including walk-ups?
Craig certainly seems more rounded than Savage atm. I think he should definitely be playing if we've got a midfield three. Perhaps having Craig and Hutch as DMs, with Wing being more advanced would be something to look at in the league.

Vickers out wide was interesting to see; he did well out there. His ball control always seemed to cause their full-back problems. He wouldn't be up against strong CBs out wide; his biggest weakness is literally his weakness. I think he'd need to bulk up a bit to be a central attacker, but that's less of an issue out wide. His decision making has certainly been better than Azeez's this season.

Ehib did well, as expected; was a shame he didn't score his penalty to get a hat-trick - good save from the keeper though. Wareham reminds me a bit of Simon Church - shows lots of energy, works well and shows the right attitude, but is a bit raw. If he keeps working on his game, he could be a player who'll break into the first team squad regularly within a year.

Mbengue did alright. It was certainly a good idea to give him a go at DM/CM. If Yiadom is going to be RB going forward, Mbengue will get more opportunities at DM this season. Hopefully it was only something minor like cramp that forced him off (as it appeared to be).

Mukairu seems quick, but doesn't appear to have much else about his game. He does seem like a player who could progress well with a side who plays attacking, direct football - which isn't what we're going for under Selles.

I'm not sure any of the penalties should've been given as penalties; thought the red card was the correct decision; can't remember the Holmes incident to comment. Ended up as 3,015 with 498 Arsenal fans.

Very comfortable night, which got more comfortable as first team players like Wing, Knibbs and Smith came off the bench. Can't say I was overly impressed by any of the Arsenal players - although Nelson's foot work for their second goal was good (although he's someone who's played a decent amount of Premier League football over the past few years) and their goalkeeper did well. They had a lot of possession, but didn't really look too threatening with the ball.

I think it showed the gap between U21 football and first team football well. Even with a large number of players who were playing U21 football recently (Ehib, Vickers, Craig, Carson, Wareham), we looked a level above that Arsenal U21 side despite us being bottom of League One (albeit a side that's competing in basically all our League One matches).

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 15 Nov 2023 17:05

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Fox Talbot Really impressed with Craig tonight, and in previous cameos. He’s way ahead of Savage and needs to be in the team or bench at very least.

Vickers is a little star.Did more useful and entertaining stuff in 80 mins thanAzeez has managed all season. I’d start him.

Kelvin played well. My first look at Wareham, he looked a possible, put himself about, won a few headers. Mbengue lively but went off injured. Didn’t like Mukairu.

Very enjoyable game. Three pens, two missed, one red card, seven goals, loads of missed chances, a few heavy tackles. Holmes lucky to stay on, thought their guy unlucky to be sent off, nothing more than a stern challenge, Kinibbs was fine a couple of minutes later.

Looked busy going in, maybe 3,000 including walk-ups?


Anyone else think the ref was shite? He looked about 20 stone, and couldn't get about the pitch much. Loads of soft decisions.

Yes, he was shite.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Royals and Racers » 18 Nov 2023 14:30

Sutekh The draw for the first knockout stage will give Reading a HOME game against one of the following:

Brighton u21
Charlton or Sutton
Wycombe or Wimbledon
Spurs u21 or Colchester
Fulham u21
MK or Oxford
Bristol Rovers

Remaining key group games (scheduled for next Tuesday)

Wycombe v Wimbledon
Charlton v Sutton
Colchester v Peterborough
MK v Northampton

Wycombe 1 Wimbledon 0 - so it’s Wimbledon we could be drawn against and not Wycombe.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Royals and Racers » 21 Nov 2023 20:59

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Sutekh The draw for the first knockout stage will give Reading a HOME game against one of the following:

Brighton u21
Charlton or Sutton
Wycombe or Wimbledon
Spurs u21 or Colchester
Fulham u21
MK or Oxford
Bristol Rovers

Remaining key group games (scheduled for next Tuesday)

Wycombe v Wimbledon
Charlton v Sutton
Colchester v Peterborough
MK v Northampton

Wycombe 1 Wimbledon 0 - so it’s Wimbledon we could be drawn against and not Wycombe.

Add Charlton and Oxford Utd and Colchester as possible after tonight’s results.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Sutekh » 22 Nov 2023 08:12

Presume the draw is today or tomorrow?

Reading will get a home tie (expected for Tue 5 December) against one of the following 7 teams -

Brighton U21
Charlton Athletic
Wimbledon
Colchester
Fulham U21
Oxford
Bristol Rovers

Other teams in the Southern section are:

MK Dons
West Ham U21
Arsenal U21
Wycombe
Crawley
Peterborough
Forest Green
Portsmouth

In the Northern Section the remaining 16 sides are:

Blackpool
Liverpool U21
Wrexham
Port Vale
Accrington
Forest U21
Wigan
Bolton
Fleetwood
Stockport
Bradford
Barnsley
Lincoln
Derby
Burton
Doncaster


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Clyde1998 » 22 Nov 2023 08:38

Sutekh Presume the draw is today or tomorrow?

Reading will get a home tie (expected for Tue 5 December) against one of the following 7 teams -

Brighton U21
Charlton Athletic
Wimbledon
Colchester
Fulham U21
Oxford
Bristol Rovers

Other teams in the Southern section are:

MK Dons
West Ham U21
Arsenal U21
Wycombe
Crawley
Peterborough
Forest Green
Portsmouth

In the Northern Section the remaining 16 sides are:

Blackpool
Liverpool U21
Wrexham
Port Vale
Accrington
Forest U21
Wigan
Bolton
Fleetwood
Stockport
Bradford
Barnsley
Lincoln
Derby
Burton
Doncaster

Last year the draw was on the Friday following after the final group game. There's very little information however. I'd fancy us to beat any academy or League Two side at home; not so sure about League One sides - unless they're playing their kids.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Hound » 22 Nov 2023 09:22

Should be more than capable of beating anyone there really - not really much of a difference between our A and B sides unlike most sides there

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by WestYorksRoyal » 22 Nov 2023 09:48

I know it's a joke trophy, but if went all the way and won it, it would brighten up a miserable season. Would anyone in our current situation say no to a season which involves relegation, a takeover and winning the Bristol Pizza Delivery Vans trophy?

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Hendo » 22 Nov 2023 09:52

WestYorksRoyal I know it's a joke trophy, but if went all the way and won it, it would brighten up a miserable season. Would anyone in our current situation say no to a season which involves relegation, a takeover and winning the Bristol Pizza Delivery Vans trophy?


Winning the EFL Trophy, takeover with a promising owner (Ashley or similar) an away win and relegation.

Honestly, I'd probably take it.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by WestYorksRoyal » 22 Nov 2023 09:55

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WestYorksRoyal I know it's a joke trophy, but if went all the way and won it, it would brighten up a miserable season. Would anyone in our current situation say no to a season which involves relegation, a takeover and winning the Bristol Pizza Delivery Vans trophy?


Winning the EFL Trophy, takeover with a promising owner (Ashley or similar) an away win and relegation.

Honestly, I'd probably take it.

I may add in a heroic escape failure. If we're even further adrift when the takeover is completed (say 15 points) but end up keeping it to 3, it adds some excitement but more importantly will probably persuade players that an instant return is likely and this is a project worth sticking with.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Hendo » 22 Nov 2023 09:57

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WestYorksRoyal I know it's a joke trophy, but if went all the way and won it, it would brighten up a miserable season. Would anyone in our current situation say no to a season which involves relegation, a takeover and winning the Bristol Pizza Delivery Vans trophy?


Winning the EFL Trophy, takeover with a promising owner (Ashley or similar) an away win and relegation.

Honestly, I'd probably take it.

I may add in a heroic escape failure. If we're even further adrift when the takeover is completed (say 15 points) but end up keeping it to 3, it adds some excitement but more importantly will probably persuade players that an instant return is likely and this is a project worth sticking with.


Yeah, would go along with that as well.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Clyde1998 » 22 Nov 2023 12:18

Draw details: link.

The Round of 32 draw will take place live on Sky Sports News at 6.30pm on Friday 24 November, in the lead-up to Sky Sports’ coverage of the Sky Bet Championship match between Rotherham United and Leeds United.

Sky Sports’ Michelle Owen will host the draw alongside former Jamaican international, Jermaine Beckford and former Republic of Ireland international, Clinton Morrison.

For the Round of 32 Draw, Clubs will remain regionalised with each Group winner being drawn at home to a second-placed Club from a different qualifying Group.

Bristol Street Motors Trophy Round of 32 ties are to take place week commencing December 4. We'll be ball 7 in the Southern Section.

  1. In order to guarantee these conditions are met, each regional section – the Northern and Southern Sections – will be split into two separate draws: Draw A and Draw B.
  2. Draw A will consist of the four winners from Northern Groups A, B, C and D and the four runners up from Groups E, F, G and H.
  3. Numbers 1-4 are placed in the winners’ pot and numbers 13-16 are placed in the runner up pot. Balls will be drawn from the winners’ pot first and then on an alternate basis for the first four ties.
  4. Draw B will consist of the four winners from Northern Groups E, F, G and H and the four runners up from Groups A, B, C and D.
  5. Numbers 5-8 are placed in the winners’ pot and numbers 9-12 are placed in the runner up pot. Balls will be drawn from the winners’ pot first and then on an alternate basis for the first four ties.
  6. The above process is repeated for the winners and runners up from Southern Groups A through to H.

Round of 32 Draw – Southern Section
Draw A
Seeded
1 - Forest Green Rovers
2 - Crawley Town
3 - Wycombe Wanderers
4 - Peterborough United

Unseeded
13 - Fulham U21
14 - Oxford United
15 - Arsenal U21
16 - Bristol Rovers

Draw B
Seeded
5 - Portsmouth
6 - Milton Keynes Dons
7 - Reading
8 - West Ham United U21

Unseeded
9 - Brighton & Hove Albion U21
10 - Charlton Athletic
11 - AFC Wimbledon
12 - Colchester United

Round of 32 Draw – Northern Section
Draw A
Seeded
1 - Blackpool
2 - Wrexham
3 - Accrington Stanley
4 - Wigan Athletic

Unseeded
13 - Stockport County
14 - Barnsley
15 - Lincoln City
16 - Burton Albion

Draw B
Seeded
5 - Bolton Wanderers
6 - Bradford City
7 - Derby County
8 - Doncaster Rovers

Unseeded
9 - Liverpool U21
10 - Port Vale
11 - Nottingham Forest U21
12 - Fleetwood Town

So we'll be at home to one of Brighton U21; Charlton; Wimbledon or Colchester.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Stranded » 22 Nov 2023 12:19

Apparently our possible opponents have been slimed down to Brighton U21, Charlton, Wimbledon or Colchester.

Full draw on Friday evening.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 22 Nov 2023 13:10

So the only one to be particularly cautious of, is Charlton, in case they play a strong side, but its unlikely anyone will. The Dons and Colchester aren't going especially strong in L2. Nor is Chalton in L1, but being midtable they may fancy a deep run for some success. If we can take on Arsenal U21s, it feels like Brighton U21s shouldn't be a lot more challenging.

On the other hand a strong Colchester or Wimbledon vs our B side would give us a better idea of how we might fare in L2 next season.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Orion1871 » 22 Nov 2023 14:43

Stranded Apparently our possible opponents have been slimed down to Brighton U21, Charlton, Wimbledon or Colchester.

Full draw on Friday evening.


Dave Benson-Phillips to host the evening.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Royals and Racers » 22 Nov 2023 14:58

No idea what happens in round of 16 and QF’s - although rules say regionalised. Semi’s the rules say are not regionalised.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Hendo » 22 Nov 2023 15:07

Royals and Racers No idea what happens in round of 16 and QF’s - although rules say regionalised. Semi’s the rules say are not regionalised.


Looking at last years comp, it looks like 16s are regionalised, but QFs onwards are not.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Royals and Racers » 22 Nov 2023 15:37

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Royals and Racers No idea what happens in round of 16 and QF’s - although rules say regionalised. Semi’s the rules say are not regionalised.


Looking at last years comp, it looks like 16s are regionalised, but QFs onwards are not.

This seasons are different- i looked before i posted.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Hendo » 22 Nov 2023 15:41

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Royals and Racers No idea what happens in round of 16 and QF’s - although rules say regionalised. Semi’s the rules say are not regionalised.


Looking at last years comp, it looks like 16s are regionalised, but QFs onwards are not.

This seasons are different- i looked before i posted.


Based on the following link, would imagine the 16s and QFs are regionalised.

https://www.efl.com/documents/efl-trophy-rules/#heading-the-format-of-the-competition-shall-be-as-follows

Round of 16.

The 16 winners from the Round of 32 will contest the round of The 16 winners from the Round of 32 will contest the round of 16.

The round of 16 pairings are determined by means of an unseeded draw but on a regionalised basis (North and South). The League shall determine the placing of Clubs in each of the two regions prior to the draw.

The Club drawn first is the Home Club.

Matches will be of ninety minutes duration, with no extra time. If the scores are level then the winners shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.

Quarter Finals.

The eight winners from the Round of 16 will contest the

quarter-finals.

The Quarter Final pairings are determined by means of an

unseeded draw but on a regionalised basis (North and South). The League shall determine the placing of Clubs in each of the two regions prior to the draw.

The Club drawn first is the Home Club.

Matches will be of ninety minutes duration, with no extra time.

If the scores are level then the winners shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.

Semi Finals.

The four winners from the quarter-finals will contest the

semi-finals.

Semi-final pairings are determined by means of an unseeded draw

with no regionalisation. .

The Club drawn first is the Home Club.

Matches will be played by way of only one leg and be of ninety

minutes duration with no extra time. If the scores are level at the end of the Match then the winners shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Arsenal U21s (h)

by Royals and Racers » 24 Nov 2023 18:38

Charlton at home it is then.

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