Selles not out

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Should Selles be shown the door now before the inevitable mid season sacking

Yes (and appoint Ian)
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No (it's a wonderful appointment and he'll get the club to scale heights never before seen at Reading)
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44%
He won't be appointed in the first place
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10%
 
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Re: Selles out

by WestYorksRoyal » 04 Dec 2023 11:45

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The team was just starting to rebuild some confidence after a dreadful period. Well guess what, a poor performance against non-league opposition and a last minute defeat, on TV, after the high of a late equaliser just undid all that.

Woo, USelles got two of the most obvious subs ever right. Of course, his other three were shit. As was half his original team selection.


Think there’s too much talk of the team selection going on. Ones I’d question is Mola at CB (although he was one of the better players IMO - we do love a scapegoat here) and Elliott out left (that one made little sense)

I don’t think he’s a very good manager but the performance yesterday reflects more on the players’ than the manager. The first goal was so poor, Elliott cheaply giving the ball away and the two fullbacks marking space rather than their respective players. You can’t always legislate for that. Likewise our two CB’s going awol in the 90th minute


Of course easy to look back in hindsight but having Savage and Eliot in the team together was the wrong choice. Both lightweight and bullied. If we want to win the game Wing and Smith have to start, they are our 2 best all round players

Very risky playing Mola CB with Carson LB. Lack of pace at CB and even less pace after HT when Dean comes on. Prob should have had either Mbengue or Abbey alongside Dean/Holmes and Dorsett (no chance of him being bullied) at LB. Not like they’ve had tons of games recently and it’d help Dorsett learn the position to keep playing there. NGW otherwise as a more physical option

I’d have prob played Hutch as well tbh.

I think we've learned which of our young players are ready now tbh.

Abbey and Bindon are, Craig is, Dorsett has started well and Vickers can make an impact.

Carson, Savage, Elliott, Ehibhatiomhan and Mola are not. Perhaps bench appearances, but I would not trust them in any starting XI currently.

If you can't do the basics like track runners and win the 1st ball in your box, you lose at any level. Eastleigh are 2 divisions below us, but are still a professional outfit and were always going to punish us.

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Re: Selles out

by Stranded » 04 Dec 2023 11:51

Still thing it is better for all, including him, that Selles is moved on but ain't going to happen until/unless we replace the owner. Joked a week ago that as League form had improved with 2 straight wins, we would likely lose at Eastleigh and v Charlton - and honestly, I would take that if it means we beat Barnsley and Oxford (or take 4 points).

And yes, I know it is not an either/or situation.

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Re: Selles out

by leon » 04 Dec 2023 12:21

Stranded Still thing it is better for all, including him, that Selles is moved on but ain't going to happen until/unless we replace the owner. Joked a week ago that as League form had improved with 2 straight wins, we would likely lose at Eastleigh and v Charlton - and honestly, I would take that if it means we beat Barnsley and Oxford (or take 4 points).

And yes, I know it is not an either/or situation.


I made the fundamental naive mistake of saying to jnr leon II tuesday night that if we beat Eastleigh Sunday we would be set up nicely to drag ourselves out of the relegation zone on the back of some confidence, but Selles put paid to that.

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Re: Selles out

by Wycombe Royal » 04 Dec 2023 12:38

Six wins in a row and I'll still want him out. Nice guy, but the not right guy for a League 1 or 2 scrap.

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Re: Selles out

by Snowflake Royal » 04 Dec 2023 13:03

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Reckon he could do a job in an academy.


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Re: Selles out

by Stranded » 04 Dec 2023 13:32

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Stranded Still thing it is better for all, including him, that Selles is moved on but ain't going to happen until/unless we replace the owner. Joked a week ago that as League form had improved with 2 straight wins, we would likely lose at Eastleigh and v Charlton - and honestly, I would take that if it means we beat Barnsley and Oxford (or take 4 points).

And yes, I know it is not an either/or situation.


I made the fundamental naive mistake of saying to jnr leon II tuesday night that if we beat Eastleigh Sunday we would be set up nicely to drag ourselves out of the relegation zone on the back of some confidence, but Selles put paid to that.


Naive follow up - how would you feel if he goes back to being close to full strength on Weds and beats Charlton in a competition we could actually win?

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Re: Selles out

by leon » 04 Dec 2023 13:42

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Stranded Still thing it is better for all, including him, that Selles is moved on but ain't going to happen until/unless we replace the owner. Joked a week ago that as League form had improved with 2 straight wins, we would likely lose at Eastleigh and v Charlton - and honestly, I would take that if it means we beat Barnsley and Oxford (or take 4 points).

And yes, I know it is not an either/or situation.


I made the fundamental naive mistake of saying to jnr leon II tuesday night that if we beat Eastleigh Sunday we would be set up nicely to drag ourselves out of the relegation zone on the back of some confidence, but Selles put paid to that.


Naive follow up - how would you feel if he goes back to being close to full strength on Weds and beats Charlton in a competition we could actually win?


hmmm depends on the manner of the win, but I really have zero confidence in him. The sooner we get a proper manager in the better.

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Re: Selles out

by Wycombe Royal » 04 Dec 2023 13:53

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Reckon he could do a job in an academy.

Possibly. He's defintely a coach and not a manager.

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Re: Selles out

by Tilehurstsouthbank » 04 Dec 2023 14:16

Wycombe Royal Six wins in a row and I'll still want him out. Nice guy, but the not right guy for a League 1 or 2 scrap.


Not backing him but if we recorded six wins in a row I would suggest something had clicked in a positive way and getting rid at that point would be bonkers. :lol:


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Re: Selles out

by WestYorksRoyal » 04 Dec 2023 15:14

I'm still Selles Out, but yesterday's showing made me question how good this squad really is and whether another manager could do loads better. I think survival would be the ambition for anyone.

We have 3 players who would genuinely feature in most L1 teams: Smith, Wing and Abbey.

We then Knibbs, Azeez and Mukairu who are decent but inconsistent. Yiadom and Button are experienced but hardly spectacular. Some young players like Bindon, Craig and Dorsett are making a good effort at stepping up.

They you have underperforming experienced players like Dean and Hutchinson who look like they're already mentally retired, damaged goods like Holmes and NGW and talented youngsters who are not ready like Savage, Carson and Elliott.

We seem to have built a bloated squad of players who are not quite good enough.

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Re: Selles out

by Sutekh » 04 Dec 2023 16:36

WestYorksRoyal I'm still Selles Out, but yesterday's showing made me question how good this squad really is and whether another manager could do loads better. I think survival would be the ambition for anyone.

We have 3 players who would genuinely feature in most L1 teams: Smith, Wing and Abbey.

We then Knibbs, Azeez and Mukairu who are decent but inconsistent. Yiadom and Button are experienced but hardly spectacular. Some young players like Bindon, Craig and Dorsett are making a good effort at stepping up.

They you have underperforming experienced players like Dean and Hutchinson who look like they're already mentally retired, damaged goods like Holmes and NGW and talented youngsters who are not ready like Savage, Carson and Elliott.

We seem to have built a bloated squad of players who are not quite good enough.


Unsurprising given that that target seems to have been Reading's transfer policy for the last 6 years.

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Re: Selles out

by Snowflake Royal » 04 Dec 2023 17:11

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WestYorksRoyal I'm still Selles Out, but yesterday's showing made me question how good this squad really is and whether another manager could do loads better. I think survival would be the ambition for anyone.

We have 3 players who would genuinely feature in most L1 teams: Smith, Wing and Abbey.

We then Knibbs, Azeez and Mukairu who are decent but inconsistent. Yiadom and Button are experienced but hardly spectacular. Some young players like Bindon, Craig and Dorsett are making a good effort at stepping up.

They you have underperforming experienced players like Dean and Hutchinson who look like they're already mentally retired, damaged goods like Holmes and NGW and talented youngsters who are not ready like Savage, Carson and Elliott.

We seem to have built a bloated squad of players who are not quite good enough.


Unsurprising given that that target seems to have been Reading's transfer policy for the last 6 years.

Part of the problem is we have to build half a new squad every season because of the financial issues Dai put us in, with a lot of loanees who go success or failure.

There's never any solid foundation to build from where you're just putting the last couple of pieces in place. And it's whoever.you can lay your hands on, so it's always about the individual,not how they fit in the team, because when you sign them you probably only know 3 or 4 of your first XI.

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Re: Selles out

by WestYorksRoyal » 04 Dec 2023 17:29

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WestYorksRoyal I'm still Selles Out, but yesterday's showing made me question how good this squad really is and whether another manager could do loads better. I think survival would be the ambition for anyone.

We have 3 players who would genuinely feature in most L1 teams: Smith, Wing and Abbey.

We then Knibbs, Azeez and Mukairu who are decent but inconsistent. Yiadom and Button are experienced but hardly spectacular. Some young players like Bindon, Craig and Dorsett are making a good effort at stepping up.

They you have underperforming experienced players like Dean and Hutchinson who look like they're already mentally retired, damaged goods like Holmes and NGW and talented youngsters who are not ready like Savage, Carson and Elliott.

We seem to have built a bloated squad of players who are not quite good enough.


Unsurprising given that that target seems to have been Reading's transfer policy for the last 6 years.

Part of the problem is we have to build half a new squad every season because of the financial issues Dai put us in, with a lot of loanees who go success or failure.

There's never any solid foundation to build from where you're just putting the last couple of pieces in place. And it's whoever.you can lay your hands on, so it's always about the individual,not how they fit in the team, because when you sign them you probably only know 3 or 4 of your first XI.

I think the foundations are actually there with this squad; a year or two's development and perhaps helping Holmes find his form. But as long as Dai stays we'll have the same every year. Still think it should be resolved this season.


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Re: Selles out

by Snowflake Royal » 04 Dec 2023 17:31

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Unsurprising given that that target seems to have been Reading's transfer policy for the last 6 years.

Part of the problem is we have to build half a new squad every season because of the financial issues Dai put us in, with a lot of loanees who go success or failure.

There's never any solid foundation to build from where you're just putting the last couple of pieces in place. And it's whoever.you can lay your hands on, so it's always about the individual,not how they fit in the team, because when you sign them you probably only know 3 or 4 of your first XI.

I think the foundations are actually there with this squad; a year or two's development and perhaps helping Holmes find his form. But as long as Dai stays we'll have the same every year. Still think it should be resolved this season.

They certainly could be. But loads of them are ooc at the end of the season

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Re: Selles out

by Millsy » 05 Dec 2023 16:10

As much as we believe he is incompetent, let's take a moment to appreciate the fella has not been paid fully. I feel for him.

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Re: Selles out

by tmesis » 05 Dec 2023 17:18

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Snowflake Royal Part of the problem is we have to build half a new squad every season because of the financial issues Dai put us in, with a lot of loanees who go success or failure.

There's never any solid foundation to build from where you're just putting the last couple of pieces in place. And it's whoever.you can lay your hands on, so it's always about the individual,not how they fit in the team, because when you sign them you probably only know 3 or 4 of your first XI.

I think the foundations are actually there with this squad; a year or two's development and perhaps helping Holmes find his form. But as long as Dai stays we'll have the same every year. Still think it should be resolved this season.

They certainly could be. But loads of them are ooc at the end of the season

If Dai's still here next season then we'll have an even worse squad, and go down again. He's given up.

In all honesty though, I think if we aren't sold before next season, then the club will be gone.

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Re: Selles out

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Dec 2023 17:27

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WestYorksRoyal I think the foundations are actually there with this squad; a year or two's development and perhaps helping Holmes find his form. But as long as Dai stays we'll have the same every year. Still think it should be resolved this season.

They certainly could be. But loads of them are ooc at the end of the season

If Dai's still here next season then we'll have an even worse squad, and go down again. He's given up.

In all honesty though, I think if we aren't sold before next season, then the club will be gone.

If Dai hasn’t sold by July I don't think we even start next season. I think we're dead.

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Re: Selles out

by WestYorksRoyal » 05 Dec 2023 17:41

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Snowflake Royal They certainly could be. But loads of them are ooc at the end of the season

If Dai's still here next season then we'll have an even worse squad, and go down again. He's given up.

In all honesty though, I think if we aren't sold before next season, then the club will be gone.

If Dai hasn’t sold by July I don't think we even start next season. I think we're dead.

Could Graham Odell, Mark Bowen and other senior staff release a statement saying Dai is AWOL and that they're taking drastic measures to keep the club afloat? Would mean selling pretty much all our saleable assets, mass redundancies. All pretty horrible stuff. But if it kept the club alive it may be worthwhile. But then to what avail if Dai stays?

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Re: Selles out

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Dec 2023 17:42

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tmesis If Dai's still here next season then we'll have an even worse squad, and go down again. He's given up.

In all honesty though, I think if we aren't sold before next season, then the club will be gone.

If Dai hasn’t sold by July I don't think we even start next season. I think we're dead.

Could Graham Odell, Mark Bowen and other senior staff release a statement saying Dai is AWOL and that they're taking drastic measures to keep the club afloat? Would mean selling pretty much all our saleable assets, mass redundancies. All pretty horrible stuff. But if it kept the club alive it may be worthwhile. But then to what avail if Dai stays?

I don’t think so. He isn't awol. He's just a pcunt.

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Re: Selles out

by Elm Park Kid » 09 Dec 2023 17:02

RIP the Selles revival: Nov 23 - Dec 23.

Nothing left to say now. We're stuck with him until the takeover but he'll be out the door 5 mins after it's approved.

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