by WestYorksRoyal » 04 Dec 2023 11:03
by Orion1871 » 04 Dec 2023 11:05
URZZZZHound Holmes seemed far more determined to get his head on the ball when he was being headlocked and dragged to the ground in the opposition box than he did on a basic corner routine in our own box in the 94th min.
Guess always been my frustration with him that he seems to get beaten like that too often for a big lad
Mentioned almost two years ago now - just after we’d drawn with Derby and he was bullied for their 90th minute equaliser that he just wasn’t commanding enough and the fact it’s still happening now just isn’t good enough
It’s a shame because there’s a decent defender in there but the harsh reality (along with McIntyre) is that they’re too easy to bully. Opposition strikers will enjoy playing us and that reflects on how rarely we manage to keep a clean sheet
by Hound » 04 Dec 2023 11:32
URZZZZHound Holmes seemed far more determined to get his head on the ball when he was being headlocked and dragged to the ground in the opposition box than he did on a basic corner routine in our own box in the 94th min.
Guess always been my frustration with him that he seems to get beaten like that too often for a big lad
Mentioned almost two years ago now - just after we’d drawn with Derby and he was bullied for their 90th minute equaliser that he just wasn’t commanding enough and the fact it’s still happening now just isn’t good enough
It’s a shame because there’s a decent defender in there but the harsh reality (along with McIntyre) is that they’re too easy to bully. Opposition strikers will enjoy playing us and that reflects on how rarely we manage to keep a clean sheet
by Snowflake Royal » 04 Dec 2023 11:58
URZZZZHound Holmes seemed far more determined to get his head on the ball when he was being headlocked and dragged to the ground in the opposition box than he did on a basic corner routine in our own box in the 94th min.
Guess always been my frustration with him that he seems to get beaten like that too often for a big lad
Mentioned almost two years ago now - just after we’d drawn with Derby and he was bullied for their 90th minute equaliser that he just wasn’t commanding enough and the fact it’s still happening now just isn’t good enough
It’s a shame because there’s a decent defender in there but the harsh reality (along with McIntyre) is that they’re too easy to bully. Opposition strikers will enjoy playing us and that reflects on how rarely we manage to keep a clean sheet
by The Real Sandhurst Royal » 04 Dec 2023 12:16
by windermereROYAL » 04 Dec 2023 12:24
The Real Sandhurst Royal Some of the RFC squad (Carson, Mbengue, Elliot and Ehibhatiomhan) fell well short of their potential against Eastleigh doing themselves no favours of being selected in the 11 that takes to the pitch in League One going forward.
Vickers was on the bench and not bought on. I am trying to understand why... What has he done not to get a run out against Eastleigh. I hope we see him in the starting 11 against Charlton.
by hlane17 » 04 Dec 2023 12:26
by Wycombe Royal » 04 Dec 2023 12:36
windermereROYALThe Real Sandhurst Royal Some of the RFC squad (Carson, Mbengue, Elliot and Ehibhatiomhan) fell well short of their potential against Eastleigh doing themselves no favours of being selected in the 11 that takes to the pitch in League One going forward.
Vickers was on the bench and not bought on. I am trying to understand why... What has he done not to get a run out against Eastleigh. I hope we see him in the starting 11 against Charlton.
Possibly the same reason that people were screaming for Elliott to start in matches, he was awful yesterday and was rightly hooked at HT.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 04 Dec 2023 12:41
HoundURZZZZHound Holmes seemed far more determined to get his head on the ball when he was being headlocked and dragged to the ground in the opposition box than he did on a basic corner routine in our own box in the 94th min.
Guess always been my frustration with him that he seems to get beaten like that too often for a big lad
Mentioned almost two years ago now - just after we’d drawn with Derby and he was bullied for their 90th minute equaliser that he just wasn’t commanding enough and the fact it’s still happening now just isn’t good enough
It’s a shame because there’s a decent defender in there but the harsh reality (along with McIntyre) is that they’re too easy to bully. Opposition strikers will enjoy playing us and that reflects on how rarely we manage to keep a clean sheet
Watched the goal back a few times on the highlights- caveat here is that being a midget through my teen years - heading is something I know even less about than the rest of the game, but
He seems to be treating the cross like it’s a free header in space - not attacking the ball and trying to head it towards the centre spot. With that lump barging into him he must surely have just concentrated on getting his head to the ball first and heading it back from roughly the way it came from.
As it was, he missed the header altogether, hit his shoulder and then it’s game over from there. Seems a simple mistake for a CB to make
by Snowflake Royal » 04 Dec 2023 12:50
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Mentioned almost two years ago now - just after we’d drawn with Derby and he was bullied for their 90th minute equaliser that he just wasn’t commanding enough and the fact it’s still happening now just isn’t good enough
It’s a shame because there’s a decent defender in there but the harsh reality (along with McIntyre) is that they’re too easy to bully. Opposition strikers will enjoy playing us and that reflects on how rarely we manage to keep a clean sheet
Watched the goal back a few times on the highlights- caveat here is that being a midget through my teen years - heading is something I know even less about than the rest of the game, but
He seems to be treating the cross like it’s a free header in space - not attacking the ball and trying to head it towards the centre spot. With that lump barging into him he must surely have just concentrated on getting his head to the ball first and heading it back from roughly the way it came from.
As it was, he missed the header altogether, hit his shoulder and then it’s game over from there. Seems a simple mistake for a CB to make
To put an idea across on Holmes, should we try him at RB again? That's where he was best for us (albeit in a season where we were pretty good in general). That RB position needs a long-term solution to Yids, Mbengue likely isn't it, Rushesha won't be either and Abrefa doesn't seem to be anywhere.
I'm not basing it on anything other than, he was solid for us when played there a few seasons ago. He might not have the attributes to be the RB we need, but is that an option because I can't see his place in the team otherwise.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 04 Dec 2023 13:00
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Watched the goal back a few times on the highlights- caveat here is that being a midget through my teen years - heading is something I know even less about than the rest of the game, but
He seems to be treating the cross like it’s a free header in space - not attacking the ball and trying to head it towards the centre spot. With that lump barging into him he must surely have just concentrated on getting his head to the ball first and heading it back from roughly the way it came from.
As it was, he missed the header altogether, hit his shoulder and then it’s game over from there. Seems a simple mistake for a CB to make
To put an idea across on Holmes, should we try him at RB again? That's where he was best for us (albeit in a season where we were pretty good in general). That RB position needs a long-term solution to Yids, Mbengue likely isn't it, Rushesha won't be either and Abrefa doesn't seem to be anywhere.
I'm not basing it on anything other than, he was solid for us when played there a few seasons ago. He might not have the attributes to be the RB we need, but is that an option because I can't see his place in the team otherwise.
Nah. If you want a CB to play fullback long term they need a bit of pace and to be comfortable with the ball and taking people on, crossing helps too. I don't think Holmes has what it takes.
I still think he can be a good CB. But he needs a run in a team that's performing. It's looking more and more like he needs a new club.
by Snowflake Royal » 04 Dec 2023 13:02
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To put an idea across on Holmes, should we try him at RB again? That's where he was best for us (albeit in a season where we were pretty good in general). That RB position needs a long-term solution to Yids, Mbengue likely isn't it, Rushesha won't be either and Abrefa doesn't seem to be anywhere.
I'm not basing it on anything other than, he was solid for us when played there a few seasons ago. He might not have the attributes to be the RB we need, but is that an option because I can't see his place in the team otherwise.
Nah. If you want a CB to play fullback long term they need a bit of pace and to be comfortable with the ball and taking people on, crossing helps too. I don't think Holmes has what it takes.
I still think he can be a good CB. But he needs a run in a team that's performing. It's looking more and more like he needs a new club.
Just had a look at a few stats historically, his best pass % was the season where he was at RB mainly. 80.3% overall with 2.5 long passes per game across 30 starts and 9 sub appearances. Not making a justification for him, just a genuine question.
Nothing else particularly stands out amongst his stats for that season though, was decent enough defensively.
Compared to Yiadom in 21/22, Yids made more tackles, but gave away a few more fouls per game 1.1 compared to 0.7, but made 2.4 tackles compared to Holmes' 1.1. On the ball Holmes was slightly better with his passing %, but he also played more long balls per game. Overall, Yids was 6.84 on average, Holmes was 6.6 according to WhoScored.
by Hound » 04 Dec 2023 13:03
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To put an idea across on Holmes, should we try him at RB again? That's where he was best for us (albeit in a season where we were pretty good in general). That RB position needs a long-term solution to Yids, Mbengue likely isn't it, Rushesha won't be either and Abrefa doesn't seem to be anywhere.
I'm not basing it on anything other than, he was solid for us when played there a few seasons ago. He might not have the attributes to be the RB we need, but is that an option because I can't see his place in the team otherwise.
Nah. If you want a CB to play fullback long term they need a bit of pace and to be comfortable with the ball and taking people on, crossing helps too. I don't think Holmes has what it takes.
I still think he can be a good CB. But he needs a run in a team that's performing. It's looking more and more like he needs a new club.
Just had a look at a few stats historically, his best pass % was the season where he was at RB mainly. 80.3% overall with 2.5 long passes per game across 30 starts and 9 sub appearances. Not making a justification for him, just a genuine question.
Nothing else particularly stands out amongst his stats for that season though, was decent enough defensively.
Compared to Yiadom in 21/22, Yids made more tackles, but gave away a few more fouls per game 1.1 compared to 0.7, but made 2.4 tackles compared to Holmes' 1.1. On the ball Holmes was slightly better with his passing %, but he also played more long balls per game. Overall, Yids was 6.84 on average, Holmes was 6.6 according to WhoScored.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 04 Dec 2023 13:50
Snowflake RoyalYorkshireRoyal99Snowflake Royal Nah. If you want a CB to play fullback long term they need a bit of pace and to be comfortable with the ball and taking people on, crossing helps too. I don't think Holmes has what it takes.
I still think he can be a good CB. But he needs a run in a team that's performing. It's looking more and more like he needs a new club.
Just had a look at a few stats historically, his best pass % was the season where he was at RB mainly. 80.3% overall with 2.5 long passes per game across 30 starts and 9 sub appearances. Not making a justification for him, just a genuine question.
Nothing else particularly stands out amongst his stats for that season though, was decent enough defensively.
Compared to Yiadom in 21/22, Yids made more tackles, but gave away a few more fouls per game 1.1 compared to 0.7, but made 2.4 tackles compared to Holmes' 1.1. On the ball Holmes was slightly better with his passing %, but he also played more long balls per game. Overall, Yids was 6.84 on average, Holmes was 6.6 according to WhoScored.
But Yids is much quicker and much better at taking someone on and beating them.
by Royal_jimmy » 04 Dec 2023 16:16
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Mentioned almost two years ago now - just after we’d drawn with Derby and he was bullied for their 90th minute equaliser that he just wasn’t commanding enough and the fact it’s still happening now just isn’t good enough
It’s a shame because there’s a decent defender in there but the harsh reality (along with McIntyre) is that they’re too easy to bully. Opposition strikers will enjoy playing us and that reflects on how rarely we manage to keep a clean sheet
Watched the goal back a few times on the highlights- caveat here is that being a midget through my teen years - heading is something I know even less about than the rest of the game, but
He seems to be treating the cross like it’s a free header in space - not attacking the ball and trying to head it towards the centre spot. With that lump barging into him he must surely have just concentrated on getting his head to the ball first and heading it back from roughly the way it came from.
As it was, he missed the header altogether, hit his shoulder and then it’s game over from there. Seems a simple mistake for a CB to make
To put an idea across on Holmes, should we try him at RB again? That's where he was best for us (albeit in a season where we were pretty good in general). That RB position needs a long-term solution to Yids, Mbengue likely isn't it, Rushesha won't be either and Abrefa doesn't seem to be anywhere.
I'm not basing it on anything other than, he was solid for us when played there a few seasons ago. He might not have the attributes to be the RB we need, but is that an option because I can't see his place in the team otherwise.
by Clyde1998 » 04 Dec 2023 16:22
by Clyde1998 » 04 Dec 2023 16:26
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Watched the goal back a few times on the highlights- caveat here is that being a midget through my teen years - heading is something I know even less about than the rest of the game, but
He seems to be treating the cross like it’s a free header in space - not attacking the ball and trying to head it towards the centre spot. With that lump barging into him he must surely have just concentrated on getting his head to the ball first and heading it back from roughly the way it came from.
As it was, he missed the header altogether, hit his shoulder and then it’s game over from there. Seems a simple mistake for a CB to make
To put an idea across on Holmes, should we try him at RB again? That's where he was best for us (albeit in a season where we were pretty good in general). That RB position needs a long-term solution to Yids, Mbengue likely isn't it, Rushesha won't be either and Abrefa doesn't seem to be anywhere.
I'm not basing it on anything other than, he was solid for us when played there a few seasons ago. He might not have the attributes to be the RB we need, but is that an option because I can't see his place in the team otherwise.
What's Tom Holmes' crossing ability like and ability to overlap the wide forward/winger?
Like Ian said I don't think he has those skills in him. He's also very slow in comparison to the standard right back.
by Mr Angry » 04 Dec 2023 16:36
by Snowflake Royal » 04 Dec 2023 16:53
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To put an idea across on Holmes, should we try him at RB again? That's where he was best for us (albeit in a season where we were pretty good in general). That RB position needs a long-term solution to Yids, Mbengue likely isn't it, Rushesha won't be either and Abrefa doesn't seem to be anywhere.
I'm not basing it on anything other than, he was solid for us when played there a few seasons ago. He might not have the attributes to be the RB we need, but is that an option because I can't see his place in the team otherwise.
What's Tom Holmes' crossing ability like and ability to overlap the wide forward/winger?
Like Ian said I don't think he has those skills in him. He's also very slow in comparison to the standard right back.
Holmes at RB would be purely for defensive reasons, surely? Can't see him being effective in a wing-back role, but could see him being useful as what would effectively be a wide centre-back. I think Holmes would be best at the right-side of a defensive three.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 04 Dec 2023 17:03
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What's Tom Holmes' crossing ability like and ability to overlap the wide forward/winger?
Like Ian said I don't think he has those skills in him. He's also very slow in comparison to the standard right back.
Holmes at RB would be purely for defensive reasons, surely? Can't see him being effective in a wing-back role, but could see him being useful as what would effectively be a wide centre-back. I think Holmes would be best at the right-side of a defensive three.
I think the wider players in a back three need to be quicker as your wing backs will be high leaving a big hole for him to struggle to get over to.
I think he's best as RCB in a 2 or middle of a 3.
For RCB in a two I'd say: Mbengue>Holmes>Bindon>Dean
For middle in a three I'd say: McIntyre>Holmes>Dean
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