Did the protest do what it intended?

[Dirk Gently]

As I've posted elsewhere, I think it would have been much more effective and impressive to go on for 10 minutes, then all get up and go back to the stands and let the game go on.

I think the fact that the game was abandoned made it get much more publicity. A 10 minute delay would barely have got a mention give that we've delayed numerous games this season already.

Perhaps. But is lack of publicity the problem, and how will more publicity make Dai more likely to sell?

Protests are great, but I honestly can't see how getting the match abandoned helps speed up the departure of Dai.

It's up to him to sell, and the publicity (which will all be bad publicity for him, if he gets to actually hear about it) will hardly make him more amendable and more co-operative.

[tmesis]

As I've posted elsewhere, I think it would have been much more effective and impressive to go on for 10 minutes, then all get up and go back to the stands and let the game go on.

I think the fact that the game was abandoned made it get much more publicity. A 10 minute delay would barely have got a mention give that we've delayed numerous games this season already.

Perhaps. But is lack of publicity the problem, and how will more publicity make Dai more likely to sell?

Protests are great, but I honestly can't see how getting the match abandoned helps speed up the departure of Dai.

It's up to him to sell, and the publicity (which will all be bad publicity for him, if he gets to actually hear about it) will hardly make him more amendable and more co-operative.

I think one thing it does do is put more pressure on the EFL, and for them to press for him to be banned from football if/when they meet with the independent panel again, to decide on punishments.

It's hard to think of any action that would obviously make Dai more likely to sell, but the protests are helping force the issue far more than doing nothing would.

[tidus_mi2]

As of yesterday I was of the opinion that a pitch invasion wouldn't get the attention desired and mid-match I was also of the opinion that we could get the game going again, point was made etc.

But in hindsight, seeing the reactions all around, it was probably best that the game got abandoned.

[Snowflake Royal]

There are two ways its worth it.

It in some way influences Dai to sell. Unlikely, but wait and see.

The club dies and it makes people feel better that they did all they could to save it.


It's not worth it if it hurts performance and that drives away buyers. Probably not that likely in isolation, but possible. We'll have to see.

[traff]

There are two ways its worth it.

It in some way influences Dai to sell. Unlikely, but wait and see.

The club dies and it makes people feel better that they did all they could to save it.


It's not worth it if it hurts performance and that drives away buyers. Probably not that likely in isolation, but possible. We'll have to see.

I think a downturn in the performance of the club is pretty academic now.
Also, this singular act will not lead to problems being solved but we are at the point where disruption is the only tool left open to the supporters.
I find it hard to recall any historic overthrowing of a dictatorship that happened peacefully.
Whilst irksome to some, yesterday made noise, I can't see what other quiet protests will help.
The only way to get him out is to become so irritating to him that he acts to get away from the noise.
We cannot hit him in the pocket, as he is not bothered by fines or the club losing value.
Annoying him at his place of business, leisure, etc may work eventually as the one thing he does seem to value is his peace and privacy.

Let us disrupt his friends and family, protesting outside his home, golf course casino, sister's haunts, and associates' businesses and personal favourite spots.
He has no regard for us the fans so why should we have regard for his peace and privacy?
I know it's easy to sit at a keyboard, another old man spouting rhetoric, but the only way previous groups have enabled change is with noisy intent.
So well done to all the genuine protesters yesterday, this moment may not be defining but at least you are trying

[windermereROYAL]

To many it was deemed a success, but because of this I would hate for fans to think they should do it on a regular occurrence, it was like the march, it was significant and put out a loud message, any repeats and it could divide the fan base.
There were several angry people there yesterday, not everybody is on social media and it came as quite a surprise to them.

[72 bus]

The objective of yesterday's protest was to gain publicity. Did it, in your view work? Where was it "in the news" or where it wasn't. On the plus side on the BBC's website it it on the football section front page with a link to a lengthy article. On the minus side it was not on the Main News or the Sports News just after ten last night. Let us know your thoughts and for those on here who are abroad, did any media run the story in your neck of the woods?

Well you can't expect Sky sports news to pick up on it as their only interest is the Premiership and the big six, the only time any other side gets a mention is if they are playing one of Skys big six or their manager played for one of Skys big six.

[72 bus]

I just knew you would be the first to repond, with you usual negative view on most (if not all) new threads.

There is a perfectly good thread in place about yesterday's protest. You just want attention.

I've it all now! You calling someone else an attention seeker. Talk about a pot calling a kettle black.

Honestly just put the tosser on ignore, the blokes as bad as DD and SDR

[72 bus]

Yes, I believe it has. We have had media attention and support from other fans. Plus, it was good to see Jeff Stelling calling out Sky for not making us the biggest story of the day.

Sadly, I don’t think it’ll will change the final outcome as I’ll be surprised if we start the 24/25 season. For me, it’s all about going down fighting. Years ago, I tried to give a good mate CPR on the football pitch. I knew it was pointless, but I had to try.

That's only because he didn't fancy doing tongues.

[Stranded]

There are two ways its worth it.

It in some way influences Dai to sell. Unlikely, but wait and see.

The club dies and it makes people feel better that they did all they could to save it.


It's not worth it if it hurts performance and that drives away buyers. Probably not that likely in isolation, but possible. We'll have to see.

I think a downturn in the performance of the club is pretty academic now.
Also, this singular act will not lead to problems being solved but we are at the point where disruption is the only tool left open to the supporters.
I find it hard to recall any historic overthrowing of a dictatorship that happened peacefully.
Whilst irksome to some, yesterday made noise, I can't see what other quiet protests will help.
The only way to get him out is to become so irritating to him that he acts to get away from the noise.
We cannot hit him in the pocket, as he is not bothered by fines or the club losing value.
Annoying him at his place of business, leisure, etc may work eventually as the one thing he does seem to value is his peace and privacy.

Let us disrupt his friends and family, protesting outside his home, golf course casino, sister's haunts, and associates' businesses and personal favourite spots.
He has no regard for us the fans so why should we have regard for his peace and privacy?
I know it's easy to sit at a keyboard, another old man spouting rhetoric, but the only way previous groups have enabled change is with noisy intent.
So well done to all the genuine protesters yesterday, this moment may not be defining but at least you are trying

The danger of course, and a risk that has to be lived with, is there are 2 ways he can rid himself of the club and only one way ensures we have a club to support.

[72 bus]

As I've posted elsewhere, I think it would have been much more effective and impressive to go on for 10 minutes, then all get up and go back to the stands and let the game go on.

I think the fact that the game was abandoned made it get much more publicity. A 10 minute delay would barely have got a mention give that we've delayed numerous games this season already.

Perhaps. But is lack of publicity the problem, and how will more publicity make Dai more likely to sell?

Protests are great, but I honestly can't see how getting the match abandoned helps speed up the departure of Dai.

It's up to him to sell, and the publicity (which will all be bad publicity for him, if he gets to actually hear about it) will hardly make him more amendable and more co-operative.

Guarantee none of this will be on China state TV or whatever they have in Hong kong these days.
From what I am hearing he has much bigger things to worry about than a small provincial football club.

[72 bus]

I think the fact that the game was abandoned made it get much more publicity. A 10 minute delay would barely have got a mention give that we've delayed numerous games this season already.

Perhaps. But is lack of publicity the problem, and how will more publicity make Dai more likely to sell?

Protests are great, but I honestly can't see how getting the match abandoned helps speed up the departure of Dai.

It's up to him to sell, and the publicity (which will all be bad publicity for him, if he gets to actually hear about it) will hardly make him more amendable and more co-operative.

I think one thing it does do is put more pressure on the EFL, and for them to press for him to be banned from football if/when they meet with the independent panel again, to decide on punishments.

It's hard to think of any action that would obviously make Dai more likely to sell, but the protests are helping force the issue far more than doing nothing would.

Banned from football puts the selling process in the hands of the administrator, best offer wins taking into account the creditors.
Dai's dept is mainly to himself so really Admin is the best outcome at the moment, which is why certain parties are holding back and not getting into a bidding scenario just yet.

[Snowflake Royal]

Perhaps. But is lack of publicity the problem, and how will more publicity make Dai more likely to sell?

Protests are great, but I honestly can't see how getting the match abandoned helps speed up the departure of Dai.

It's up to him to sell, and the publicity (which will all be bad publicity for him, if he gets to actually hear about it) will hardly make him more amendable and more co-operative.

I think one thing it does do is put more pressure on the EFL, and for them to press for him to be banned from football if/when they meet with the independent panel again, to decide on punishments.

It's hard to think of any action that would obviously make Dai more likely to sell, but the protests are helping force the issue far more than doing nothing would.

Banned from football puts the selling process in the hands of the administrator, best offer wins taking into account the creditors.
Dai's dept is mainly to himself so really Admin is the best outcome at the moment, which is why certain parties are holding back and not getting into a bidding scenario just yet.

Got anything to back that up?

[P!ssed Off]

To many it was deemed a success, but because of this I would hate for fans to think they should do it on a regular occurrence, it was like the march, it was significant and put out a loud message, any repeats and it could divide the fan base.
There were several angry people there yesterday, not everybody is on social media and it came as quite a surprise to them.

Not remotely bothered about upsetting the 25% of fans, or whatever it is, that would rather sit quietly and do absolutely nothing.
Will continue to do what I feel is best for the club.

[72 bus]

I think one thing it does do is put more pressure on the EFL, and for them to press for him to be banned from football if/when they meet with the independent panel again, to decide on punishments.

It's hard to think of any action that would obviously make Dai more likely to sell, but the protests are helping force the issue far more than doing nothing would.

Banned from football puts the selling process in the hands of the administrator, best offer wins taking into account the creditors.
Dai's dept is mainly to himself so really Admin is the best outcome at the moment, which is why certain parties are holding back and not getting into a bidding scenario just yet.

Got anything to back that up?

Banned from ownership means he has to sell, there is no one else able to fund the club so administration is what would happen.
At that point the highest bidder wins but has to pays the creditors what they are owed which would be pennies in the pound.
Given that biggest creditor is Dai then his best avenue is to sell the club quickly for whatever he can get rather than let it go to the administrators auction.
Clubs are bought for a pound and then deals are made with creditors AKA bolton which we know about from Tenbobsworth until we all put him on ignore

[Winston Biscuit]

Gary Neville talking about it today

https://twitter.com/_rfcmo/status/1746658731838845345?t=FxHJHPNZn_l9V5Ck88PUwQ&s=19

[72 bus]

I think one thing it does do is put more pressure on the EFL, and for them to press for him to be banned from football if/when they meet with the independent panel again, to decide on punishments.

It's hard to think of any action that would obviously make Dai more likely to sell, but the protests are helping force the issue far more than doing nothing would.

Banned from football puts the selling process in the hands of the administrator, best offer wins taking into account the creditors.
Dai's dept is mainly to himself so really Admin is the best outcome at the moment, which is why certain parties are holding back and not getting into a bidding scenario just yet.

Got anything to back that up?

Ian, In simpler terms if you are banned from driving most folks sell their car, if you are banned from owning a football club in the EFL there is little point in keeping it on the drive as a doer upper thinking you might sell it once you have it looking lovely again.

[Reading4eva]

Banned from football puts the selling process in the hands of the administrator, best offer wins taking into account the creditors.
Dai's dept is mainly to himself so really Admin is the best outcome at the moment, which is why certain parties are holding back and not getting into a bidding scenario just yet.

Got anything to back that up?

Ian, In simpler terms if you are banned from driving most folks sell their car, if you are banned from owning a football club in the EFL there is little point in keeping it on the drive as a doer upper thinking you might sell it once you have it looking lovely again.

This is exactly what I thought. The club would be worthless to him, although I do wonder if the administration route is what really the club would follow. I would like to believe there are some buyers ready to pounce but wouldn't take on the debt. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what Mike Ashley is looking at.

If the EFL move quick and block all incoming and outgoing from the club, that will protect the playing squad who have been fantastic throughout this mess. Administration will probably carry the 10 point penalty (but not necessarily as banning Dai could force the club into administration rather than choosing to). Relegation will probably happen but its not a forgone conclusion. This side seem to be fighting for everything and could, could survive. It'll be close. If it does happen though, this team under a new owner in League Two with Selles should find the route back out of that division fairly straight forward I feel.

I hope that any prospective owner when they come in make the academy the number 1 priority. Keep Category 1. Its what Eamonn Dolan worked so hard to achieve, to give Reading one of the best academies in the country. It'll also be the best path back to the Championship long term.

[OLLIE KEARNS]

Banned from football puts the selling process in the hands of the administrator, best offer wins taking into account the creditors.
Dai's dept is mainly to himself so really Admin is the best outcome at the moment, which is why certain parties are holding back and not getting into a bidding scenario just yet.

Got anything to back that up?

Ian, In simpler terms if you are banned from driving most folks sell their car, if you are banned from owning a football club in the EFL there is little point in keeping it on the drive as a doer upper thinking you might sell it once you have it looking lovely again.

So, the EFL force him out of the bit that loses money day in day out (running the football club) but can’t force him to sell his major assets such as the stadium or the training ground. In which case he may hike the rent on both or simply evict the football club from both if he wishes to retain the assets. You then have a club with either bigger losses or a club with no stadium and training ground.
If the purpose of getting games abandoned is to force the EFL to ban him as an owner then the outcome may not be quite what is expected.

[P!ssed Off]

I'm thinking the EFL may be able to sanction Dai Yongge personally for the game abandonment if inadequate stewarding/policing is due to his lack of funds.

Argue that he lacks the funds to guarantee that future home fixtures will be fullfilled.

Again put forth he should be disqualified from footballing activity and forced to sell the club within 28 days.

Possibility.