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Re: #SellBeforeWeDai (to someone fit and proper)“ supporters action group

by Tennents Super » 19 Jan 2024 09:18

maffff Today has seen the launch of a new Twitter account: @Propaganda1871

...

The team behind this account will remain anonymous, at least until Reading FC get the news we are all so desperately after, that Dai has sold the club.


I've read through some of the posts. It's this guy isn't it...


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by Stranded » 19 Jan 2024 09:41

Press continues to look at us - Guardian recounting the story of the failed Oxford/Reading merger attempt: https://www.theguardian.com/football/th ... super-club

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by paultheroyal » 19 Jan 2024 10:04

Stranded Press continues to look at us - Guardian recounting the story of the failed Oxford/Reading merger attempt: https://www.theguardian.com/football/th ... super-club


excellent read, thank you.

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by kieran » 19 Jan 2024 10:10

tmesis Derby fans seem to be very vocal in their dislike of Reading, which could make next week interesting.

Portsmouth too, where somehow singing "pay up, Pompey" means we wanted them to go bust, rather than a comment on them avoiding debts by going into administration.

In truth, if Derby sing songs about us going bust, it's not going to make it onto the top 10 of things I'm bothered about that day.


Thats not just what was sung about Pompey though was it. It was constant "Party and cakes when Pompey die", "Let em die" and many other chants, my personal favourite "We're embracing fiscal prudence" (oh, the irony) and together with that thread it was pretty clear there was a huge section of Reading fans that rejoiced in Pompey's downfall. Theres no point in pretending otherwise. I lives in Reading at the time and I dodnt speak to a single Reading fan that didnt want Pompey to die.

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by Stranded » 19 Jan 2024 10:24

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tmesis Derby fans seem to be very vocal in their dislike of Reading, which could make next week interesting.

Portsmouth too, where somehow singing "pay up, Pompey" means we wanted them to go bust, rather than a comment on them avoiding debts by going into administration.

In truth, if Derby sing songs about us going bust, it's not going to make it onto the top 10 of things I'm bothered about that day.


Thats not just what was sung about Pompey though was it. It was constant "Party and cakes when Pompey die", "Let em die" and many other chants, my personal favourite "We're embracing fiscal prudence" (oh, the irony) and together with that thread it was pretty clear there was a huge section of Reading fans that rejoiced in Pompey's downfall. Theres no point in pretending otherwise. I lives in Reading at the time and I dodnt speak to a single Reading fan that didnt want Pompey to die.


That may well have more to do with the people you spoke to then anything else.

No-one is denying that some fans of our club enjoyed other clubs going through the shit but I seriously doubt, there is one who is annoyed they weren't saved. It however, shows a serious level of internal anger, to really be of the mindset of - they sang some nasty songs about us so I hope they get fcuked. Sing nasty songs back by all means but you would think fans of a club who have been through this shit would be the most supportive but its football I guess, and people enjoy being an arsehole.


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by Snowflake Royal » 19 Jan 2024 10:24

blythspartan I see that the crowd funding for this has now reached almost £10.5k in just a few days. Not that we’d want to give money to Dai but I do wonder what sort of amount the fans could raise to buy the club, especially if the local businesses were on board.

Maybe quarter mil?

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by bcubed » 19 Jan 2024 10:27

I also clearly recall going to Palace away years ago and joining in with the "you're in ad min i stration" to the yine of Seven nation army. Thought it was very amusing at the time!

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by windermereROYAL » 19 Jan 2024 10:29

They seem to be of the mindset of punish the entire fan base for the actions of a couple of hundred hot head kids back then, we can`t control what other fans think so we just have to take it on the chin.
But one thing is absolutely clear, most genuine fans are right behind us.

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by Schards#2 » 19 Jan 2024 10:30

kieran
tmesis Derby fans seem to be very vocal in their dislike of Reading, which could make next week interesting.

Portsmouth too, where somehow singing "pay up, Pompey" means we wanted them to go bust, rather than a comment on them avoiding debts by going into administration.

In truth, if Derby sing songs about us going bust, it's not going to make it onto the top 10 of things I'm bothered about that day.


Thats not just what was sung about Pompey though was it. It was constant "Party and cakes when Pompey die", "Let em die" and many other chants, my personal favourite "We're embracing fiscal prudence" (oh, the irony) and together with that thread it was pretty clear there was a huge section of Reading fans that rejoiced in Pompey's downfall. Theres no point in pretending otherwise. I lives in Reading at the time and I dodnt speak to a single Reading fan that didnt want Pompey to die.


I think there's a difference between wanting a club to go into administration and wanting it to cease to exist. I honestly doubt the majority of Reading fans wanted Portsmouth to be liquidated. I also think the animosity towards Portsmouth was exacerbated by their overspending getting them to an FA Cup final.

In the case of Derby, I genuinely felt sorry for them and admired the efforts of their team and their excellent support in an impossible
situation. Again, I'm sure many did, but there's always going to be a moronic few who think mocking the potential death of a club is 'bantz'


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by NathStPaul » 19 Jan 2024 10:30

windermereROYAL They seem to be of the mindset of punish the entire fan base for the actions of a couple of hundred hot head kids back then, we can`t control what other fans think so we just have to take it on the chin.
But one thing is absolutely clear, most genuine fans are right behind us.

What is a "genuine" fan?

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by kieran » 19 Jan 2024 10:53

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tmesis Derby fans seem to be very vocal in their dislike of Reading, which could make next week interesting.

Portsmouth too, where somehow singing "pay up, Pompey" means we wanted them to go bust, rather than a comment on them avoiding debts by going into administration.

In truth, if Derby sing songs about us going bust, it's not going to make it onto the top 10 of things I'm bothered about that day.


Thats not just what was sung about Pompey though was it. It was constant "Party and cakes when Pompey die", "Let em die" and many other chants, my personal favourite "We're embracing fiscal prudence" (oh, the irony) and together with that thread it was pretty clear there was a huge section of Reading fans that rejoiced in Pompey's downfall. Theres no point in pretending otherwise. I lives in Reading at the time and I dodnt speak to a single Reading fan that didnt want Pompey to die.


I think there's a difference between wanting a club to go into administration and wanting it to cease to exist. I honestly doubt the majority of Reading fans wanted Portsmouth to be liquidated. I also think the animosity towards Portsmouth was exacerbated by their overspending getting them to an FA Cup final.

In the case of Derby, I genuinely felt sorry for them and admired the efforts of their team and their excellent support in an impossible
situation. Again, I'm sure many did, but there's always going to be a moronic few who think mocking the potential death of a club is 'bantz'


Go back and have a look at the thread on here. There were many hoping Pompey would die. And I also spoke to many.

Its exactly the same situation, there will be many Pompey fans with sympathy but there will also be a sizeable number with none. Compare that to a club that hasnt been abused in the past where it will be 100% sympathy. Reading also got to a semi final by overspending? Of course Pompey were actually succesfull but does that make it more wrong as your post seems to suggest that there is a little justification that perhaps doesnt apply to Reading?

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by Orion1871 » 19 Jan 2024 11:57

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Thats not just what was sung about Pompey though was it. It was constant "Party and cakes when Pompey die", "Let em die" and many other chants, my personal favourite "We're embracing fiscal prudence" (oh, the irony) and together with that thread it was pretty clear there was a huge section of Reading fans that rejoiced in Pompey's downfall. Theres no point in pretending otherwise. I lives in Reading at the time and I dodnt speak to a single Reading fan that didnt want Pompey to die.


I think there's a difference between wanting a club to go into administration and wanting it to cease to exist. I honestly doubt the majority of Reading fans wanted Portsmouth to be liquidated. I also think the animosity towards Portsmouth was exacerbated by their overspending getting them to an FA Cup final.

In the case of Derby, I genuinely felt sorry for them and admired the efforts of their team and their excellent support in an impossible
situation. Again, I'm sure many did, but there's always going to be a moronic few who think mocking the potential death of a club is 'bantz'


Go back and have a look at the thread on here. There were many hoping Pompey would die. And I also spoke to many.

Its exactly the same situation, there will be many Pompey fans with sympathy but there will also be a sizeable number with none. Compare that to a club that hasnt been abused in the past where it will be 100% sympathy. Reading also got to a semi final by overspending? Of course Pompey were actually succesfull but does that make it more wrong as your post seems to suggest that there is a little justification that perhaps doesnt apply to Reading?


Apart from Pogs wages I'm not sure we had overspent that much.

Certainly not to the extent that we'd signed a player who was earning more at our Club than they earned when they were playing at one of the top clubs in the world like Pompey were with Lassana Diarra.

I think Reading fans problem and lack of sympathy with Portsmouth was more down to the lack of effort from Pompey against Fulham the week before the cup final. There would still have been the usual "witty" banter you get during matches because that's what football fans do, but probably less actual ill will from Reading fans towards Portsmouth if it wasn't for that.

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by WestYorksRoyal » 19 Jan 2024 11:59

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I think there's a difference between wanting a club to go into administration and wanting it to cease to exist. I honestly doubt the majority of Reading fans wanted Portsmouth to be liquidated. I also think the animosity towards Portsmouth was exacerbated by their overspending getting them to an FA Cup final.

In the case of Derby, I genuinely felt sorry for them and admired the efforts of their team and their excellent support in an impossible
situation. Again, I'm sure many did, but there's always going to be a moronic few who think mocking the potential death of a club is 'bantz'


Go back and have a look at the thread on here. There were many hoping Pompey would die. And I also spoke to many.

Its exactly the same situation, there will be many Pompey fans with sympathy but there will also be a sizeable number with none. Compare that to a club that hasnt been abused in the past where it will be 100% sympathy. Reading also got to a semi final by overspending? Of course Pompey were actually succesfull but does that make it more wrong as your post seems to suggest that there is a little justification that perhaps doesnt apply to Reading?


Apart from Pogs wages I'm not sure we had overspent that much.

Certainly not to the extent that we'd signed a player who was earning more at our Club than they earned when they were playing at one of the top clubs in the world like Pompey were with Lassana Diarra.

I think Reading fans problem and lack of sympathy with Portsmouth was more down to the lack of effort from Pompey against Fulham the week before the cup final. There would still have been the usual "witty" banter you get during matches because that's what football fans do, but probably less actual ill will from Reading fans towards Portsmouth if it wasn't for that.

And pinching Tommy Smith with money they didn't have. But this is all a long time ago now.


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by Sutekh » 19 Jan 2024 12:04

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tmesis Derby fans seem to be very vocal in their dislike of Reading, which could make next week interesting.

Portsmouth too, where somehow singing "pay up, Pompey" means we wanted them to go bust, rather than a comment on them avoiding debts by going into administration.

In truth, if Derby sing songs about us going bust, it's not going to make it onto the top 10 of things I'm bothered about that day.


Thats not just what was sung about Pompey though was it. It was constant "Party and cakes when Pompey die", "Let em die" and many other chants, my personal favourite "We're embracing fiscal prudence" (oh, the irony) and together with that thread it was pretty clear there was a huge section of Reading fans that rejoiced in Pompey's downfall. Theres no point in pretending otherwise. I lives in Reading at the time and I dodnt speak to a single Reading fan that didnt want Pompey to die.


That may well have more to do with the people you spoke to then anything else.

No-one is denying that some fans of our club enjoyed other clubs going through the shit but I seriously doubt, there is one who is annoyed they weren't saved. It however, shows a serious level of internal anger, to really be of the mindset of - they sang some nasty songs about us so I hope they get fcuked. Sing nasty songs back by all means but you would think fans of a club who have been through this shit would be the most supportive but its football I guess, and people enjoy being an arsehole.


Think the general disdain at the time for Pompey was rife across a lot of supporters of other clubs because of how they'd got themselves into such a mess, but probably what really wound the Reading support up the most was the seeming failure to take their last game of the 2007/8 season v Fulham seriously because they had a cup final the following week.

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by Readingfanman » 19 Jan 2024 12:06

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Thats not just what was sung about Pompey though was it. It was constant "Party and cakes when Pompey die", "Let em die" and many other chants, my personal favourite "We're embracing fiscal prudence" (oh, the irony) and together with that thread it was pretty clear there was a huge section of Reading fans that rejoiced in Pompey's downfall. Theres no point in pretending otherwise. I lives in Reading at the time and I dodnt speak to a single Reading fan that didnt want Pompey to die.


I think there's a difference between wanting a club to go into administration and wanting it to cease to exist. I honestly doubt the majority of Reading fans wanted Portsmouth to be liquidated. I also think the animosity towards Portsmouth was exacerbated by their overspending getting them to an FA Cup final.

In the case of Derby, I genuinely felt sorry for them and admired the efforts of their team and their excellent support in an impossible
situation. Again, I'm sure many did, but there's always going to be a moronic few who think mocking the potential death of a club is 'bantz'


Go back and have a look at the thread on here. There were many hoping Pompey would die. And I also spoke to many.

Its exactly the same situation, there will be many Pompey fans with sympathy but there will also be a sizeable number with none. Compare that to a club that hasnt been abused in the past where it will be 100% sympathy. Reading also got to a semi final by overspending? Of course Pompey were actually succesfull but does that make it more wrong as your post seems to suggest that there is a little justification that perhaps doesnt apply to Reading?

Reading didn't get to a semi-final from overspending though, they were actually barely losing money when they made the semi final, no different to 90% of the football league.

I'm personally not arsed if Portsmouth, Derby fans etc feel sympathetic or not. Sure it's nice, but it doesn't do a great deal at the end of the day

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by blythspartan » 19 Jan 2024 12:09

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blythspartan I see that the crowd funding for this has now reached almost £10.5k in just a few days. Not that we’d want to give money to Dai but I do wonder what sort of amount the fans could raise to buy the club, especially if the local businesses were on board.

Maybe quarter mil?


Yeah, that’s probably realistic.

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by Sutekh » 19 Jan 2024 12:10

FSA backing the idea for all fans to show soldarity by applauding the 16th minute of games...

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/16-is-the-ma ... t-reading/

Would love that to happen, hope the message gets out...

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by kieran » 19 Jan 2024 12:37

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Thats not just what was sung about Pompey though was it. It was constant "Party and cakes when Pompey die", "Let em die" and many other chants, my personal favourite "We're embracing fiscal prudence" (oh, the irony) and together with that thread it was pretty clear there was a huge section of Reading fans that rejoiced in Pompey's downfall. Theres no point in pretending otherwise. I lives in Reading at the time and I dodnt speak to a single Reading fan that didnt want Pompey to die.


That may well have more to do with the people you spoke to then anything else.

No-one is denying that some fans of our club enjoyed other clubs going through the shit but I seriously doubt, there is one who is annoyed they weren't saved. It however, shows a serious level of internal anger, to really be of the mindset of - they sang some nasty songs about us so I hope they get fcuked. Sing nasty songs back by all means but you would think fans of a club who have been through this shit would be the most supportive but its football I guess, and people enjoy being an arsehole.


Think the general disdain at the time for Pompey was rife across a lot of supporters of other clubs because of how they'd got themselves into such a mess, but probably what really wound the Reading support up the most was the seeming failure to take their last game of the 2007/8 season v Fulham seriously because they had a cup final the following week.


I think you are proving my point. Apparently theres a good reason for ill feeling towards Pompey but Reading deserve no ill feeeling even thought it has been dispensed. Reading are special..sheeesh.

Be honest, Reading would have rested players ahead of an FA cup final also, and you would have supported it.
Be honest, Reading have overspent just as Pompey did (maybe not as much but the principle is the same). Neither set of fans have any say in it.
Be honest, you would have celebrated if you won the FA cup

Maybe if it were just accepted that Reading is no different and we all got screwed then there may be a little more sympathy?

But, I am guessing theres going to be a reply justifying why Reading is different.................

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by Stranded » 19 Jan 2024 12:38

Sutekh FSA backing the idea for all fans to show soldarity by applauding the 16th minute of games...

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/16-is-the-ma ... t-reading/

Would love that to happen, hope the message gets out...


It will happen in some places, not others. Will guarantee that where it does happen, a lot of people who end up clapping will have no idea why but will join in assuming it is for some fan who is ill/passed away rather than Reading.

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by Snowflake Royal » 19 Jan 2024 12:55

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That may well have more to do with the people you spoke to then anything else.

No-one is denying that some fans of our club enjoyed other clubs going through the shit but I seriously doubt, there is one who is annoyed they weren't saved. It however, shows a serious level of internal anger, to really be of the mindset of - they sang some nasty songs about us so I hope they get fcuked. Sing nasty songs back by all means but you would think fans of a club who have been through this shit would be the most supportive but its football I guess, and people enjoy being an arsehole.


Think the general disdain at the time for Pompey was rife across a lot of supporters of other clubs because of how they'd got themselves into such a mess, but probably what really wound the Reading support up the most was the seeming failure to take their last game of the 2007/8 season v Fulham seriously because they had a cup final the following week.


I think you are proving my point. Apparently theres a good reason for ill feeling towards Pompey but Reading deserve no ill feeeling even thought it has been dispensed. Reading are special..sheeesh.

Be honest, Reading would have rested players ahead of an FA cup final also, and you would have supported it.
Be honest, Reading have overspent just as Pompey did (maybe not as much but the principle is the same). Neither set of fans have any say in it.
Be honest, you would have celebrated if you won the FA cup

Maybe if it were just accepted that Reading is no different and we all got screwed then there may be a little more sympathy?

But, I am guessing theres going to be a reply justifying why Reading is different.................

There's a few differences.

There was already a general dislike of Pompey because of their BELLend and South coast proximity that frequent had us as poor relations in the media. Plus what was previously referenced. That's specific club to club, not generic across all clubs.

Then there's that we got our actual success, both PL jaunts by spending sustainably, under good and sensible leadership, bar the very end of the second promotion push from Zingarevich, but that had limited effect. As well as our last PO appearance.

There was also considerable concern raised amongst the fanbase around the signings of Aluko on big money, plus spending big on Puscas and Joao at the same time, immediately after a soft embargo lifted.

Plus with Pompey, criticism of them was followed by a dickhead fan turning up on here giving it large about how they'd done nothing wrong and we'd go into administration before them. Was it you?

Generally speaking there's always going to be an element of ignorance from other fans about how much concern and opposition there's been to mismanagement, especially if that bought success to a club at the same time. And especially if that club is geneally disliked, like Leeds, or Pompey for example.

I don't blame those fans for reacting without much sympathy. And I don't blame fans of clubs we have a genuine rivalry with being pissy about it, so it's understandable for Pompey. But I would expect clubs who have been through it, to be more aware and more sympathetic. As I'm sure we would be in future to others if we survive.

But Reading really isn't a particularly offensive club. And we can hardly be accused of buying success by anyone who actually knows anything, because Dai took over at the very tail end of our last PO season. And the one 7th finish was basically down to three months of unbelievable but unsustainable performance.

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