by AthleticoSpizz » 19 Feb 2024 12:43
by WestYorksRoyal » 19 Feb 2024 12:49
kieranDirk Gentlykieran I hope you manage to find yourselves owners as decent as ours.
You had the best owner it was possible to have, after so much hard work and dedication from so many fans - and then you voted to sell to an outsider.
I find that decision absolutely astounding and so very short-sighted.
We had no future as fan owned. FP was falling apart, we couldnt finance a decent squad. The numbers just dont add up. We wouldnt have just sold to anyone, they had to be particularly trust worthy
by Clyde1998 » 19 Feb 2024 13:10
kieranClyde1998WestYorksRoyal Tbf, wasn't it just because they have recently finished a redevelopment and so they had a bigger capacity? They're top of the league after a horror decade, of course they're going to sell out.
They've had a capacity to get over 20,000 for matches - as they exceeded it in the Premier League.
Some of it will be the away following - we're one of three teams so far to take a full allocation to Portsmouth (along with Charlton and Bristol Rovers); Charlton got slightly more tickets than us and Bristol Rovers. There won't be too many sides in the bottom two divisions who'll take 2,000 to Portsmouth. They've still got to play Derby and Oxford - who'll likely take decent numbers there.
I know they've been limited in the past couple of seasons due to the work they've been doing, but would've thought they would've had 20,100+ at least once since they were in the Premier League. I think the next highest in that time was 20,040 against Leeds in 2011. I know they've played Southampton a few times since then, but it's likely the capacity is restricted due to increased need for segregation.
I can clear this up.
Saturday was the first match where we have been able to use the entire newly refurbished milton end since it was restricted capacity due to safety reasons in 2012. This was announced in the stadium as our owners where at the game (they come from LA). It was a remarkable moment as it marked the first game where capacity has been at 21200k with enough away fans to actually utilise some of it. Quite a milestone following years of neglect, worthy of celebration. As I am sure you are aware home sell outs are most weeks and have been most weeks for the last 12 years in these lower divisions. Expect any game between now and the end of the season with a decent away following to match/surpass this.
Next step is a new north stand that will further increase capacity by circa 8k.
I hope you manage to find yourselves owners as decent as ours.
by Millsy » 19 Feb 2024 13:25
kieranClyde1998WestYorksRoyal Tbf, wasn't it just because they have recently finished a redevelopment and so they had a bigger capacity? They're top of the league after a horror decade, of course they're going to sell out.
They've had a capacity to get over 20,000 for matches - as they exceeded it in the Premier League.
Some of it will be the away following - we're one of three teams so far to take a full allocation to Portsmouth (along with Charlton and Bristol Rovers); Charlton got slightly more tickets than us and Bristol Rovers. There won't be too many sides in the bottom two divisions who'll take 2,000 to Portsmouth. They've still got to play Derby and Oxford - who'll likely take decent numbers there.
I know they've been limited in the past couple of seasons due to the work they've been doing, but would've thought they would've had 20,100+ at least once since they were in the Premier League. I think the next highest in that time was 20,040 against Leeds in 2011. I know they've played Southampton a few times since then, but it's likely the capacity is restricted due to increased need for segregation.
I can clear this up.
Saturday was the first match where we have been able to use the entire newly refurbished milton end since it was restricted capacity due to safety reasons in 2012. This was announced in the stadium as our owners where at the game (they come from LA). It was a remarkable moment as it marked the first game where capacity has been at 21200k with enough away fans to actually utilise some of it. Quite a milestone following years of neglect, worthy of celebration. As I am sure you are aware home sell outs are most weeks and have been most weeks for the last 12 years in these lower divisions. Expect any game between now and the end of the season with a decent away following to match/surpass this.
Next step is a new north stand that will further increase capacity by circa 8k.
I hope you manage to find yourselves owners as decent as ours.
by Dirk Gently » 19 Feb 2024 13:28
kieranDirk Gentlykieran I hope you manage to find yourselves owners as decent as ours.
You had the best owner it was possible to have, after so much hard work and dedication from so many fans - and then you voted to sell to an outsider.
I find that decision absolutely astounding and so very short-sighted.
We had no future as fan owned. FP was falling apart, we couldnt finance a decent squad. The numbers just dont add up. We wouldnt have just sold to anyone, they had to be particularly trust worthy
by kieran » 19 Feb 2024 15:06
Dirk Gently
And what guarantee do you have for the future? The current owner might be fine, but what of the future? When he dies/gets taken ill/loses interest etc, etc?
It just strikes me as a real tragedy that PST struggled for so long and it dominated the lives of some of the individuals concerned for so long, and it was such a massive achievement for them to achieve the impossible and rescue the club for their supporters - who for many years had feared they'd have no club at all in the future - and more or less as soon as it'd done the supporters say "Thanks for keeping us alive, but we're going back to the same "take it all on trust, sugar-daddy" ownership model that so very nearly killed us.
PFC could have been the flag-bearer that proved that it could work, with a little imagination and effort - they'd come so far and done so much that people thought was impossible - and there were ways to make it work while still retaining supporter control. But there wasn't that imagination or drive among the fanbase - just a thirst for immediate success paid for by someone else.
Ungrateful, short-sighted and a betrayal of the supporter ownership movement.
by kieran » 19 Feb 2024 15:08
Millsy My comment was hopefully obviously tongue in cheek re: us being big club Congrats, a cracking place from what I can see and a decent team to match. All the best!
by kieran » 19 Feb 2024 15:19
Clyde1998 Thank you. Hadn't realised you'd had a restricted capacity for as long as that and certainly explains why you've not had any 20,000+ crowds since the Premier League. The home sell outs were why I was surprised by you not having any 20,000+ crowds. I imagine your game against Derby will no doubt have a higher attendance than Saturday.
Good to hear there is progress with the stadium. There's clearly demand for an expansion and it's appeared from afar the ground has needed some work for a while now. It's come at a good time for you as well, as you'll almost certainly be playing Championship football next season.
In the away end, I'd say the rail seating (safe standing) worked well. A large amount of people stand at away matches anyway, so it was good to have facilities that reflects that. I note you've got it at the back of the opposite stand too. It's something I'd like to see at Reading once there's the money to pursue that.
I think Portsmouth are an interesting case study into how teams can recover from financial issues with stable ownership and a long term strategy. You're clearly on an upward trajectory now and there's a much better atmosphere around the place when compared to a decade or so ago.
by Sutekh » 19 Feb 2024 17:17
kieranClyde1998 Thank you. Hadn't realised you'd had a restricted capacity for as long as that and certainly explains why you've not had any 20,000+ crowds since the Premier League. The home sell outs were why I was surprised by you not having any 20,000+ crowds. I imagine your game against Derby will no doubt have a higher attendance than Saturday.
Good to hear there is progress with the stadium. There's clearly demand for an expansion and it's appeared from afar the ground has needed some work for a while now. It's come at a good time for you as well, as you'll almost certainly be playing Championship football next season.
In the away end, I'd say the rail seating (safe standing) worked well. A large amount of people stand at away matches anyway, so it was good to have facilities that reflects that. I note you've got it at the back of the opposite stand too. It's something I'd like to see at Reading once there's the money to pursue that.
I think Portsmouth are an interesting case study into how teams can recover from financial issues with stable ownership and a long term strategy. You're clearly on an upward trajectory now and there's a much better atmosphere around the place when compared to a decade or so ago.
It has come at the right time but its not all fortune. The recruitments across the board from CEO to Director of Football have all been carefully planned with total alignment and a club ethos that must be maintained from top to bottom. e,.g We wont buy players that wont be able to play in front of a rather fervent crowd. We have a certain way we will play and everyone at the club is on board. Fratton has been refurbed over a number of years whilst the squad and the younger players steadily built with a continuing style of play year in year out.
The rail seats are popular. They are at the top of the Fratton end as well but there are no plans to increase that. I think we are the first club to have safe standing.
The atmosphere around the place is superb. The whole city lives and breathes Pompey, it always has and always will. My entire family and my in laws and their entire family all support Pompey and so on. It now feels like the club is set up to harness that power at last.
by Snowflake Royal » 19 Feb 2024 17:20
SutekhkieranClyde1998 Thank you. Hadn't realised you'd had a restricted capacity for as long as that and certainly explains why you've not had any 20,000+ crowds since the Premier League. The home sell outs were why I was surprised by you not having any 20,000+ crowds. I imagine your game against Derby will no doubt have a higher attendance than Saturday.
Good to hear there is progress with the stadium. There's clearly demand for an expansion and it's appeared from afar the ground has needed some work for a while now. It's come at a good time for you as well, as you'll almost certainly be playing Championship football next season.
In the away end, I'd say the rail seating (safe standing) worked well. A large amount of people stand at away matches anyway, so it was good to have facilities that reflects that. I note you've got it at the back of the opposite stand too. It's something I'd like to see at Reading once there's the money to pursue that.
I think Portsmouth are an interesting case study into how teams can recover from financial issues with stable ownership and a long term strategy. You're clearly on an upward trajectory now and there's a much better atmosphere around the place when compared to a decade or so ago.
It has come at the right time but its not all fortune. The recruitments across the board from CEO to Director of Football have all been carefully planned with total alignment and a club ethos that must be maintained from top to bottom. e,.g We wont buy players that wont be able to play in front of a rather fervent crowd. We have a certain way we will play and everyone at the club is on board. Fratton has been refurbed over a number of years whilst the squad and the younger players steadily built with a continuing style of play year in year out.
The rail seats are popular. They are at the top of the Fratton end as well but there are no plans to increase that. I think we are the first club to have safe standing.
The atmosphere around the place is superb. The whole city lives and breathes Pompey, it always has and always will. My entire family and my in laws and their entire family all support Pompey and so on. It now feels like the club is set up to harness that power at last.
Would love to find owners like the Eisners, they do exist, just hope there's some around at the moment thinking about buying an English third division football club.
You just knew there was something "iffy" and that Reading would eventually crash and burn as soon as it was known Dai wouldn't make the effort to talk or communicate to anyone outside, or pretty much even in, the club. Like that is normal behaviour for the owner of a business.
by stealthpapes » 19 Feb 2024 18:09
by leon » 20 Feb 2024 09:29
stealthpapes Telly's a fan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EmrGSqteGo
Spent the Sunday having a wander around, decided to catch ferry over to Ryde and back, then a slow train home. The little stretch of raiwlay line from Harbour to & Southsea is a treasure - overlooks the historical, the great and also Dave sat in his vest having a cheeky fag on a Sunday afternoon.
by Uke » 20 Feb 2024 10:03
stealthpapes Telly's a fan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EmrGSqteGo
Spent the Sunday having a wander around, decided to catch ferry over to Ryde and back, then a slow train home. The little stretch of raiwlay line from Harbour to & Southsea is a treasure - overlooks the historical, the great and also Dave sat in his vest having a cheeky fag on a Sunday afternoon.
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