Embargos, HMRC Payment defaults, non payment of wages, the usual under Dai Wrongge

[RoyalBlue]

Not especially sure what this extra 2 points is meant to achieve but it is what it is

Will at least focus the minds again. Felt on Saturday that the team were a bit complacent, as were the fans. Also there was very little anti-dai which will kick back up again

Could it be that the players had already been made aware of the incoming points deduction prior to the game and that adversely affected their performance?

[Stranded]

Not especially sure what this extra 2 points is meant to achieve but it is what it is

Will at least focus the minds again. Felt on Saturday that the team were a bit complacent, as were the fans. Also there was very little anti-dai which will kick back up again

Telegraph reporting its 2 with 2 suspended and Dai given another 100k fine that he won't pay.

The suspended may help as the players know they will need to bust a gut as it may well happen - last suspended penalty was triggered almost immediately.

[Millsy]

Oh no.

I wonder if fans will start turning on Dai now.

[tidus_mi2]

Good old Micah (are you here) talking about another pitch invasion, one of the replies was "what does the extra 3 point deduction matter? we`re down anyway"
You could make this shit up!!!

One of the ones I always see on Twitter that definitely annoys me. Only an idiot would go on the pitch at this point, point was made against Port Vale, we're still in a strong position to stay up if the deduction happens, no point jeopardising that.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Not especially sure what this extra 2 points is meant to achieve but it is what it is

Will at least focus the minds again. Felt on Saturday that the team were a bit complacent, as were the fans. Also there was very little anti-dai which will kick back up again

Telegraph reporting its 2 with 2 suspended and Dai given another 100k fine that he won't pay.

The suspended may help as the players know they will need to bust a gut as it may well happen - last suspended penalty was triggered almost immediately.

Presumably the suspended 2 are triggered if we fail to pay HMRC, and not Dai's fine? We all know he won't pay.

[windermereROYAL]

The players must hate Dai has much as the rest of us tbf

[Orion1871]

F*cking EFL - they seem to deliberately string out the process and hit us at the last moment. IMO their claims to care about the club are absolute crap. They are very definitely not fit for purpose. Football doesn't just have an ownership problem, it clearly also has a governance problem.

Doubtless the EFL will claim it's down to an 'Independent Commission' but that Commission can only operate within EFL rules and guidelines.

They have to look after "the integrity" of their competition, so that "everyone is on a level playing field."

Ignore the three teams in the league above who have more money and higher wage bills than everyone else.

[Mr Sitter]

Is it time to regularise punishments and so do away with independent panels in order to bring swift and consistent outcomes ?

By that in this case I mean at the start of the season the EFL clubs agree what the punishment should be if a club breaks the 100 day rule and all clubs that breach the rule receive that punishment immediately. As far as it seems to me the panel can decide on a punishment depending on what mood the members are in.

[Needle]

Four points down was a shit song anyway.

Bringing back the classics

[WestYorksRoyal]

I'll be interested to read the ruling and what the EFL were pushing for. If we got 2, my guess is they wanted 4 or 6.

Hopefully doesn't impact takeover. What's worse, an open charge with an unknown outcome, or 2 points?

[Snowflake Royal]

F*cking EFL - they seem to deliberately string out the process and hit us at the last moment. IMO their claims to care about the club are absolute crap. They are very definitely not fit for purpose. Football doesn't just have an ownership problem, it clearly also has a governance problem.

Doubtless the EFL will claim it's down to an 'Independent Commission' but that Commission can only operate within EFL rules and guidelines.

They've hit us with pretty much the bare minimum deduction possible, short of a suspended deduction. For repeated and excessive failure to pay tax on time, isn’t it?

We're still 3 points outside the relegation zone.

It's entirely fair, and it's about the minimum they could have done without just waving the flag to all clubs to stop paying tax.

I was expecting 3/4 suspended, which could easily have been triggered.

We're playing well enough it shouldn't sink us. And actually comes at a good time to renew our determination and keep fighting.

[PieEater]

Is this another first for the club? The first club to ever be hit with a points deduction for LATE payment of tax?

[Stranded]

Is this another first for the club? The first club to ever be hit with a points deduction for LATE payment of tax?

Yes, we have broken new ground here.

[Stranded]

F*cking EFL - they seem to deliberately string out the process and hit us at the last moment. IMO their claims to care about the club are absolute crap. They are very definitely not fit for purpose. Football doesn't just have an ownership problem, it clearly also has a governance problem.

Doubtless the EFL will claim it's down to an 'Independent Commission' but that Commission can only operate within EFL rules and guidelines.

They've hit us with pretty much the bare minimum deduction possible, short of a suspended deduction. For repeated and excessive failure to pay tax on time, isn’t it?

We're still 3 points outside the relegation zone.

It's entirely fair, and it's about the minimum they could have done without just waving the flag to all clubs to stop paying tax.

I was expecting 3/4 suspended, which could easily have been triggered.

We're playing well enough it shouldn't sink us. And actually comes at a good time to renew our determination and keep fighting.

Whilst I don't fully disagree, there already was a clear penalty in the books for cumulative delays in payment which included tax - that was the punishment where you cannot pay a fee of any kind for a player for 3 transfer windows. I'm intrigued to see the rationale for this additional penalty given that exists, though I don't disagree with it.

[WestYorksRoyal]

EFL are enforcing rules voted on by their members, so their hands are tied. Shows the game can't regulate itself as clubs will also vote in self interest. A team that really should be getting relegated might stay up because there are rules that kick us when we're down.

[Snowflake Royal]

EFL are enforcing rules voted on by their members, so their hands are tied. Shows the game can't regulate itself as clubs will also vote in self interest. A team that really should be getting relegated might stay up because there are rules that kick us when we're down.

At this point, I'd just get rid of deductions and automatically relegate anyone who breaches financial rules.

Should be fun watching 18 Championship relegations in one season

[Mid Sussex Royal]

F*cking EFL - they seem to deliberately string out the process and hit us at the last moment. IMO their claims to care about the club are absolute crap. They are very definitely not fit for purpose. Football doesn't just have an ownership problem, it clearly also has a governance problem.

Doubtless the EFL will claim it's down to an 'Independent Commission' but that Commission can only operate within EFL rules and guidelines.

They've hit us with pretty much the bare minimum deduction possible, short of a suspended deduction. For repeated and excessive failure to pay tax on time, isn’t it?

We're still 3 points outside the relegation zone.

It's entirely fair, and it's about the minimum they could have done without just waving the flag to all clubs to stop paying tax.

I was expecting 3/4 suspended, which could easily have been triggered.

We're playing well enough it shouldn't sink us. And actually comes at a good time to renew our determination and keep fighting.

Whilst I don't fully disagree, there already was a clear penalty in the books for cumulative delays in payment which included tax - that was the punishment where you cannot pay a fee of any kind for a player for 3 transfer windows. I'm intrigued to see the rationale for this additional penalty given that exists, though I don't disagree with it.

Late payment of tax is a separate EFL rule to late payment of wages, you can go up to 80 late days a year which in itself is generous....we were at 100 apparently.

What would be interesting to know is what the criteria is for the suspended 2 points to be instigated

[Stranded]

They've hit us with pretty much the bare minimum deduction possible, short of a suspended deduction. For repeated and excessive failure to pay tax on time, isn’t it?

We're still 3 points outside the relegation zone.

It's entirely fair, and it's about the minimum they could have done without just waving the flag to all clubs to stop paying tax.

I was expecting 3/4 suspended, which could easily have been triggered.

We're playing well enough it shouldn't sink us. And actually comes at a good time to renew our determination and keep fighting.

Whilst I don't fully disagree, there already was a clear penalty in the books for cumulative delays in payment which included tax - that was the punishment where you cannot pay a fee of any kind for a player for 3 transfer windows. I'm intrigued to see the rationale for this additional penalty given that exists, though I don't disagree with it.

Late payment of tax is a separate EFL rule to late payment of wages, you can go up to 80 late days a year which in itself in generous....we were at 100 apparently.

What would be interesting to know is what the criteria is for the suspended 2 points to be instigated

It's 30 days of cumulative late payment as mentioned here: https://www.efl.com/news/2023/june/efl- ... ummer-2023

[Mid Sussex Royal]

EFL are enforcing rules voted on by their members, so their hands are tied. Shows the game can't regulate itself as clubs will also vote in self interest. A team that really should be getting relegated might stay up because there are rules that kick us when we're down.

They have to look after their members and be fair.

We signed the likes of Smith, Knibbs & Wing, all upper end L1 players, at a time when we were already in tax arrears and you could argue we shouldn't have signed them if future payment of wages & tax was uncertain.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Whilst I don't fully disagree, there already was a clear penalty in the books for cumulative delays in payment which included tax - that was the punishment where you cannot pay a fee of any kind for a player for 3 transfer windows. I'm intrigued to see the rationale for this additional penalty given that exists, though I don't disagree with it.

Late payment of tax is a separate EFL rule to late payment of wages, you can go up to 80 late days a year which in itself in generous....we were at 100 apparently.

What would be interesting to know is what the criteria is for the suspended 2 points to be instigated

It's 30 days of cumulative late payment as mentioned here: https://www.efl.com/news/2023/june/efl- ... ummer-2023

That talks about embargoes. No mention of possible points deductions.