#SellBeforeWeDai Action/Inaction Group

[Snowflake Royal]

I like to think we'll collectively be more aware and supportive. But it's exhausting and a lot of effort, so it'll be a rare fan that gets very active for another club.

I think we'll probably be better about it than Derby or Pompey fans have been for us though.

[Dirk Gently]

Brighton are the paragons of this. As well as supporting us now, over the years they've taken coachloads of supporters to "Fans United" days to support the like of York, Cambridge, Macclesfield and probably a couple of others I can't remember.

[Sutekh]

Brighton are the paragons of this. As well as supporting us now, over the years they've taken coachloads of supporters to "Fans United" days to support the like of York, Cambridge, Macclesfield and probably a couple of others I can't remember.

Haven't seen any coachloads of Brighton fans at Reading games this season, not even the Trophy game

[Dirk Gently]

Brighton are the paragons of this. As well as supporting us now, over the years they've taken coachloads of supporters to "Fans United" days to support the like of York, Cambridge, Macclesfield and probably a couple of others I can't remember.

Haven't seen any coachloads of Brighton fans at Reading games this season, not even the Trophy game

Because what's gone on so far haven't been sort of games where fans from other clubs can particularly contribute anything.

They've not been idle, though...

[WestYorksRoyal]

Brighton are the paragons of this. As well as supporting us now, over the years they've taken coachloads of supporters to "Fans United" days to support the like of York, Cambridge, Macclesfield and probably a couple of others I can't remember.

Maybe the next Kieran Maguire will be from Reading.

[Sutekh]

Will Brighton help Reading get a Coppell/Madejski statue built though?

[Pepe the Horseman]

With previous accusations at DBWD that they have only taken an interest in other clubs financial predicaments because of the situation we are in, what is the future plan for SBWD when our mess is resolved and our future is looking more rosy?

There are, and will be, many more clubs in financial trouble. Would be interesting to know if they have thought about a post Dai world and how they could potentially team up with other clubs to offer ideas/exposure/support when there may be trouble elsewhere

I'd like us take the Portsmouth approach and wish death on anyone that's ever wronged us.

[From Despair To Where?]

I'd like us take the Portsmouth approach and wish death on anyone that's ever wronged us.

But I don't have a stepfather.

[kieran]

I'd like us take the Portsmouth approach and wish death on anyone that's ever wronged us.

I think the problem was the majority of fans appeared to chose to stick to the belief that Pompey deserved it and Reading dont. Polarised views attract polarised views from both sides and hence the animosity.

[Forbury Lion]

With previous accusations at DBWD

Dance Before We Dai?

Would certainly get some coverage on the TV, Maybe Robbie Savage can do a strictly number again in the centre circle?

[Snowflake Royal]

I'd like us take the Portsmouth approach and wish death on anyone that's ever wronged us.

I think the problem was the majority of fans appeared to chose to stick to the belief that Pompey deserved it and Reading dont. Polarised views attract polarised views from both sides and hence the animosity.

Both clubs completely deserved the problems they've had.

[WestYorksRoyal]

I'd like us take the Portsmouth approach and wish death on anyone that's ever wronged us.

I think the problem was the majority of fans appeared to chose to stick to the belief that Pompey deserved it and Reading dont. Polarised views attract polarised views from both sides and hence the animosity.

Both clubs completely deserved the problems they've had.

What does a club do to deserve the problems? What even is a club? Because Dai and his cronies sure as hell aren't Reading FC. Dai deserves everything he's getting, does that mean the club does? And similarly, you can say Pompey cheated to win the FA Cup, but it wasn't the fans who did that. And how do you expect them to react when they win? Winning the FA Cup is the stuff of dreams for clubs of our size, and I think you have to accept it as a once in a lifetime moment worth celebrating. They deserved everything that happened because they enjoyed winning it?

I don't think any club "deserves" this. I'd view it as a cycle. Owners will come and go, good and bad. Enjoy it when you have a good owner you can be proud of, and fight when you get a shit one. Pompey finally seem to be in a good cycle, hopefully we can see the good times return here too. The water gets muddied when you celebrate a bad owner - see Chelsea fans. Perhaps they deserve a bad time.

[kieran]

I think the problem was the majority of fans appeared to chose to stick to the belief that Pompey deserved it and Reading dont. Polarised views attract polarised views from both sides and hence the animosity.

Both clubs completely deserved the problems they've had.

What does a club do to deserve the problems? What even is a club? Because Dai and his cronies sure as hell aren't Reading FC. Dai deserves everything he's getting, does that mean the club does? And similarly, you can say Pompey cheated to win the FA Cup, but it wasn't the fans who did that. And how do you expect them to react when they win? Winning the FA Cup is the stuff of dreams for clubs of our size, and I think you have to accept it as a once in a lifetime moment worth celebrating. They deserved everything that happened because they enjoyed winning it?

I don't think any club "deserves" this. I'd view it as a cycle. Owners will come and go, good and bad. Enjoy it when you have a good owner you can be proud of, and fight when you get a shit one. Pompey finally seem to be in a good cycle, hopefully we can see the good times return here too. The water gets muddied when you celebrate a bad owner - see Chelsea fans. Perhaps they deserve a bad time.

This 100%

[Snowflake Royal]

Break the rules, get punished.

Fans are all complicit in it with their ridiculous expectations and constant demands for spending and instant success. Welcoming anyone with cash with no concern for how vile they are.

We have at least had some push back from fans over Dai's tenure but not enough until very recently. Some Pompey fans were still claiming they were well run before their last administration.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Fans have always wanted success, it's not their fault the game is so broken that it needs to involve massive external investment (which is also true for good examples like Brighton and Brentford). And there are often competing emotions. When we signed Joao, Puscas, Ejaria and Rafael in a few days, I was concerned what it meant for FFP but there is also a rush from watching your clubs go big in the transfer market, so that's conflicting opinions within 1 fan, let alone an entire fan base. Some Newcastle fans don't care about the source of their owners wealth, some hold their nose, while Darlington got a rush of new season tickets from those who couldn't accept it.

Each fan base has a plurality of fans and opinions. Some probably do deserve it. I still believe one solution would be founding "Bellend FC" and sending the worst of every fanbase there. Bassini or Dai can own them. But plenty of fans just want an honest team who care for the club who have a chance of punching above their weight. To say all fans deserve what they get is nonsense.

[RoyalBlue]

I think the problem was the majority of fans appeared to chose to stick to the belief that Pompey deserved it and Reading dont. Polarised views attract polarised views from both sides and hence the animosity.

Both clubs completely deserved the problems they've had.

What does a club do to deserve the problems? What even is a club? Because Dai and his cronies sure as hell aren't Reading FC. Dai deserves everything he's getting, does that mean the club does? And similarly, you can say Pompey cheated to win the FA Cup, but it wasn't the fans who did that. And how do you expect them to react when they win? Winning the FA Cup is the stuff of dreams for clubs of our size, and I think you have to accept it as a once in a lifetime moment worth celebrating. They deserved everything that happened because they enjoyed winning it?

I don't think any club "deserves" this. I'd view it as a cycle. Owners will come and go, good and bad. Enjoy it when you have a good owner you can be proud of, and fight when you get a shit one. Pompey finally seem to be in a good cycle, hopefully we can see the good times return here too. The water gets muddied when you celebrate a bad owner - see Chelsea fans. Perhaps they deserve a bad time.

Absolutely nailed it with that!

[Royals and Racers]

SBWD have issued new statement.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

SBWD have issued new statement.

I sometimes think SBWD need to consider the bigger picture and why these punishments are levied.

[Fezza]

SBWD have issued new statement.

I sometimes think SBWD need to consider the bigger picture and why these punishments are levied.

Presumably the EFL are tied in to following a set legal route to achieve whatever the long term goal is and must therefore follow this path precisely in order to avoid a lengthy legal case if Dai was just removed?

[Greatwesternline]

SBWD have issued new statement.

I sometimes think SBWD need to consider the bigger picture and why these punishments are levied.

Yep.

I could do an annotation of what is wrong with that SBWD statement. Most paragraphs to be honest.

Para 1 - You need sporting sanctions to stop clubs from breaching financial fair play. As can be seen from our form over the past 20 games, we are running a play-off contention first 11 which the club doesnt have the resources to maintain. We are therefore gaining a sporting advantage over other clubs who are paying their taxes and wage bills on time but who have a less competitive squad.

Para 2 - Not imposing fines because of an impending sale would be treating Reading preferentially due to its own commercial concerns, so clearly that would be improper.

Para 3 - Just because someone isnt paying a fine, doesnt mean you stop issuing the fines when they continue to break the rules. Obviously.

Para 4 - The number of points we have had deducted is a function of the period time over which we have been breaking the rules - or known as cheating by others.

Para 5 - Of course the EFL do care about their rulebook more than the health and history of the clubs in the league. The rule book is there to protect the clubs' health. SBWD seem to forget we broke the financial fair play rules.

I know many people on here will disagree with those, but let's be honest, take your Reading biases out of it, and its all factually true.