MATCHWATCH : Carlisle United (a)

[WestYorksRoyal]

Hoping to see Smith celebrate a late winner in front of the home dugout.

[Hendo]

Hoping to see Smith celebrate a late winner in front of the home dugout.

Ideally while doing this.

[Blue Label]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

[WestYorksRoyal]

It seems like every fan club has an axe to grind. Perhaps we've had more sympathy than Rochdale, Bury, Southend etc., but equally we all know that Everton get into existential trouble the government will pass their football regulator legislation within a week.

I can see an argument for predefined punishments to remove ambiguity. But we'd be in an even worse position, and fundamentally I just don't think points deductions always work. For FFP breaches, deducting points is fine, but where an owner has lost interest and has cut the club off you'd have to question its effectiveness. We've already been punished for Dai making us unsustainable, and now we're being punished for him failing to support the unsustainable entity he's created. It's trying to tell owners to sell up fast before the club further depreciates in value. Well that didn't work with Macclesfield or Bury and it's not working with us either.

[Sutekh]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

Standard clueless comments. Honestly why don't people research the situation before passing this standard dumb arsed cr@p that nearly every club's fans will spout in any situations like this (including some Reading fans on other club's misfortunes) - and of course the only solution is always take as many points off them as possible (but only as our club is so cr@p this season we need all the help it can get) and any failure to do that shows the utter ineptitude of the authorities. Still when you see the example being set by Homer.... d'oh!

If the FL (and PL) drew up ffp rules that were actually practical and punished clubs at the time of the offence(s) then you could probably look at clearly defined punishments of points and / or fines with people understanding what would happen if things were breached.

[Snowflake Royal]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

Standard clueless comments. Honestly why don't people research the situation before passing this standard dumb arsed cr@p that nearly every club's fans will spout in any situations like this (including some Reading fans on other club's misfortunes) - and of course the only solution is always take as many points off them as possible (but only as our club is so cr@p this season we need all the help it can get) and any failure to do that shows the utter ineptitude of the authorities. Still when you see the example being set by Homer.... d'oh!

If the FL (and PL) drew up ffp rules that were actually practical and punished clubs at the time of the offence(s) then you could probably look at clearly defined punishments of points and / or fines with people understanding what would happen if things were breached.

There'll never be clearly definied punishments of the nature people want, because there are always mitigating and aggravating circumstances to consider.

You only have to look at criminal justice to see how complicated investigating, convicting and setting a punishment is.

[Snowflake Royal]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

There's some real nonsense in there. Happy when he was splashing the cash?

We've spent ten years talking about how we need to cut our wage bill and get it sustainable.

One of his first major signings was the reported £7m for Sone Aluko that was near universally derided as a bad signing and massive overspending.

There was concern when we came out from a soft embargo and he spent a reported £10m on Puscas and Joao immediately.

Almost half of the seasons under him have seen points deductions and in that time we've had half of one good season, how happy could we have been?

[Sutekh]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

Standard clueless comments. Honestly why don't people research the situation before passing this standard dumb arsed cr@p that nearly every club's fans will spout in any situations like this (including some Reading fans on other club's misfortunes) - and of course the only solution is always take as many points off them as possible (but only as our club is so cr@p this season we need all the help it can get) and any failure to do that shows the utter ineptitude of the authorities. Still when you see the example being set by Homer.... d'oh!

If the FL (and PL) drew up ffp rules that were actually practical and punished clubs at the time of the offence(s) then you could probably look at clearly defined punishments of points and / or fines with people understanding what would happen if things were breached.

There'll never be clearly definied punishments of the nature people want, because there are always mitigating and aggravating circumstances to consider.

You only have to look at criminal justice to see how complicated investigating, convicting and setting a punishment is.

But at least the authorities could define the nature of the punishment against each type of offence and specify an associated benchmark fine/deduction which could then be lessened or increased depending on the associated circumstances. Explanations for lessening or increasing punishment should then become easier to define and everyone would know exactly what to expect.

Whereas now you've got ridiculous situations in the PL, for example, with clubs kicking up a fuss because they've been found out and then moaning how unfair it all is and then appealing to help make a complete mockery of the entire season, whether they stay up or not, let alone the utterly disgraceful mess that is ManCity (who just carry on as if nothing was happening).

[Snowflake Royal]

Standard clueless comments. Honestly why don't people research the situation before passing this standard dumb arsed cr@p that nearly every club's fans will spout in any situations like this (including some Reading fans on other club's misfortunes) - and of course the only solution is always take as many points off them as possible (but only as our club is so cr@p this season we need all the help it can get) and any failure to do that shows the utter ineptitude of the authorities. Still when you see the example being set by Homer.... d'oh!

If the FL (and PL) drew up ffp rules that were actually practical and punished clubs at the time of the offence(s) then you could probably look at clearly defined punishments of points and / or fines with people understanding what would happen if things were breached.

There'll never be clearly definied punishments of the nature people want, because there are always mitigating and aggravating circumstances to consider.

You only have to look at criminal justice to see how complicated investigating, convicting and setting a punishment is.

But at least the authorities could define the nature of the punishment against each type of offence and specify an associated benchmark fine/deduction which could then be lessened or increased depending on the associated circumstances. Explanations for lessening or increasing punishment should then become easier to define and everyone would know exactly what to expect.

Whereas now you've got ridiculous situations in the PL, for example, with clubs kicking up a fuss because they've been found out and then moaning how unfair it all is and then appealing to help make a complete mockery of the entire season, whether they stay up or not, let alone the utterly disgraceful mess that is ManCity (who just carry on as if nothing was happening).

That's just how lawyers work. Same even if you have clearly defined punishments. And there are going to be pretty clear guidelines/tariffs and procedures. It's just complicated.

[Sutekh]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

There's some real nonsense in there. Happy when he was splashing the cash?

We've spent ten years talking about how we need to cut our wage bill and get it sustainable.

One of his first major signings was the reported £7m for Sone Aluko that was near universally derided as a bad signing and massive overspending.

There was concern when we came out from a soft embargo and he spent a reported £10m on Puscas and Joao immediately.

Almost half of the seasons under him have seen points deductions and in that time we've had half of one good season, how happy could we have been?

We weren't as you know from the endless manager out threads. Just think, if our gentleman owner had wasted some of that money on a manager who was actually of some use he (and the club) might of mostly got away with it but (luckily for the rest of the football world) he only showed up what a waste of space he is and sadly lost face and and chance of turning a real profit in the process.

[Hound]

There was also a hell of a lot of concern about the squad sizes etc in the Clement days

Nobody really except a few of the kids on Twitter were ‘happy’ with the overall strategy and the money spent. That’s not to say there wasn’t the odd flicker of excitement about certain players - mainly Joao and Puscas - coming in at the time. Quite the opposite

[Royal_jimmy]

Lots of rain forecasted today and tomorrow up there. This better not be called off. Don't fancy trekking up there on a Tuesday night.

[Sutekh]

12 hours of rain forecast up there which finishes around 2am before relenting for 12 hours or so, then it's back again so will be wet up there during the game.

[PieEater]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

They seem deperate for us to go into administration and get hit with another points deduction. They don't seem to get the point the EFL penalties are based on precedent, apart from the world first for HMRC late payment.

[windermereROYAL]

12 hours of rain forecast up there which finishes around 2am before relenting for 12 hours or so, then it's back again so will be wet up there during the game.

[Royal_jimmy]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

They seem deperate for us to go into administration and get hit with another points deduction. They don't seem to get the point the EFL penalties are based on precedent, apart from the world first for HMRC late payment.

They're just a jealous tinpot club who are ignorant to the reality of our situation. When they don't realise that the EFL have their fair share of blame to accept for the mess we're in by allowing Dai to buy us despite all the red flags.

[Hendo]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

They seem deperate for us to go into administration and get hit with another points deduction. They don't seem to get the point the EFL penalties are based on precedent, apart from the world first for HMRC late payment.

They're just a jealous tinpot club who are ignorant to the reality of our situation. When they don't realise that the EFL have their fair share of blame to accept for the mess we're in by allowing Dai to buy us despite all the red flags.

What were all the red flags when they allowed him to buy us?

That he liquidated 2 clubs after they approved his takeover? Or the fact the failed Hull takeover included a different consortium makeup?

[Hound]

They seem deperate for us to go into administration and get hit with another points deduction. They don't seem to get the point the EFL penalties are based on precedent, apart from the world first for HMRC late payment.

They're just a jealous tinpot club who are ignorant to the reality of our situation. When they don't realise that the EFL have their fair share of blame to accept for the mess we're in by allowing Dai to buy us despite all the red flags.

What were all the red flags when they allowed him to buy us?

That he liquidated 2 clubs after they approved his takeover? Or the fact the failed Hull takeover included a different consortium makeup?

Didn’t they put in some line about wanting more detailed accounting or something from him and they’d monitor it? That’s about the only point of bringing up the EFL and allowing his takeover imo, and that’s probably nothing to see either

[RoyalBlue]

They seem deperate for us to go into administration and get hit with another points deduction. They don't seem to get the point the EFL penalties are based on precedent, apart from the world first for HMRC late payment.

They're just a jealous tinpot club who are ignorant to the reality of our situation. When they don't realise that the EFL have their fair share of blame to accept for the mess we're in by allowing Dai to buy us despite all the red flags.

What were all the red flags when they allowed him to buy us?

That he liquidated 2 clubs after they approved his takeover? Or the fact the failed Hull takeover included a different consortium makeup?

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/efl-clears-takeover-of-promotion-chasing-reading/

Regardless of the different consortium aspect, from what I understand, the EPL shared their concerns about Dai with the EFL. The EFL also approved Dai's ownership conditionally and said he would be subject to increased scrutiny. It would seem they must have employed scrutineers who were as competent with numbers as Paul Simpson.

The EFL gave conditional approval for the deal in April but it has been reported that the Premier League, which gives input into the ownership status of teams who may compete in its competition, had been cautious about the deal due to aspects of the Dais' commercial history. Dai Yongge had earlier failed in an attempt to buy recently relegated Premier League club Hull City over concerns, later allayed, that he did not control the funds he was intending to use to complete the purchase. The Dais' takeover of Reading will remain subject to further oversight by the EFL.

The previous owners will retain a 25 per cent stake.

'The EFL can confirm that they have no objections to the change of control application made by Reading Football Club,' read an official statement issued by the EFL.

'Following a full review of the transaction, the EFL has insisted upon – and the club/new owners have agreed to – a number of additional reporting requirements including enhanced financial monitoring.

'This is so as to ensure that their performance is consistent with the application we have considered.

[Hendo]

They're just a jealous tinpot club who are ignorant to the reality of our situation. When they don't realise that the EFL have their fair share of blame to accept for the mess we're in by allowing Dai to buy us despite all the red flags.

What were all the red flags when they allowed him to buy us?

That he liquidated 2 clubs after they approved his takeover? Or the fact the failed Hull takeover included a different consortium makeup?

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/efl-clears-takeover-of-promotion-chasing-reading/

Regardless of the different consortium aspect, from what I understand, the EPL shared their concerns about Dai with the EFL. The EFL also approved Dai's ownership conditionally and said he would be subject to increased scrutiny. It would seem they must have employed scrutineers who were as competent with numbers as Paul Simpson.

The EFL gave conditional approval for the deal in April but it has been reported that the Premier League, which gives input into the ownership status of teams who may compete in its competition, had been cautious about the deal due to aspects of the Dais' commercial history. Dai Yongge had earlier failed in an attempt to buy recently relegated Premier League club Hull City over concerns, later allayed, that he did not control the funds he was intending to use to complete the purchase. The Dais' takeover of Reading will remain subject to further oversight by the EFL.

The previous owners will retain a 25 per cent stake.

'The EFL can confirm that they have no objections to the change of control application made by Reading Football Club,' read an official statement issued by the EFL.

'Following a full review of the transaction, the EFL has insisted upon – and the club/new owners have agreed to – a number of additional reporting requirements including enhanced financial monitoring.

'This is so as to ensure that their performance is consistent with the application we have considered.

Ok, but that's not really a red flag, is it?

Dai Yongge had earlier failed in an attempt to buy recently relegated Premier League club Hull City over concerns, later allayed, that he did not control the funds he was intending to use to complete the purchase.

I still don't understand how the EFL are the big bad in this? They have a duty to the full set of 72 members to ensure the competition is fair. They don't have a magical crystal ball that allows them to see into the future.

All signings by all clubs have to be ratified by the governing bodies if we could prove that we were able to sustain the signings made at the time, what else can they do?