MATCHWATCH : Carlisle United (a)

[Stranded]

The only real question for the EFL in all of this, given the current rules, is:

What was the increased financial monitoring and how long did it last given it still allowed the owner to overspend to such a degree that you had to punish the club for breaching your own P&S rules?

If the monitoring really was of any use, and they had any teeth, then we would never have gotten to this position.

[NathStPaul]

12 hours of rain forecast up there which finishes around 2am before relenting for 12 hours or so, then it's back again so will be wet up there during the game.

It will be off.

[Sutekh]

12 hours of rain forecast up there which finishes around 2am before relenting for 12 hours or so, then it's back again so will be wet up there during the game.

It will be off.

Does your head go all the way to the top of that hat?

[Mr Angry]

And another thread that gets sucked into the ownership history/points deduction situation; I - and I suspect many others - enjoy reading about the upcoming matches (and Sutekh has done another excellent job here), so rather than have the same discussions that are going around and around on multiple other threads being regurgitated on every thread that is created, can we leave the threads that are for specific things just for those specific things?

[WestYorksRoyal]

And another thread that gets sucked into the ownership history/points deduction situation; I - and I suspect many others - enjoy reading about the upcoming matches (and Sutekh has done another excellent job here), so rather than have the same discussions that are going around and around on multiple other threads being regurgitated on every thread that is created, can we leave the threads that are for specific things just for those specific things?

I appreciate the frustration, but it's pervasive. It's the only real issue that matters. If you chose our fanbase L2 and a good owner or L1 with Dai, the result would be unanimous.

And in the build up to this game, we've had more points deducted which has featured in all interviews and previews. So it's very relevant.

[windermereROYAL]

12 hours of rain forecast up there which finishes around 2am before relenting for 12 hours or so, then it's back again so will be wet up there during the game.

It will be off.

Wish you were.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Earnshaw just reporting driving through a blizzard, given he left lunch time he must be nearly there.

Met office is for rain on and off, heavy at times, until kick off

[NathStPaul]

12 hours of rain forecast up there which finishes around 2am before relenting for 12 hours or so, then it's back again so will be wet up there during the game.

It will be off.

Wish you were.

Don't play games you can't compete in chump.

[NathStPaul]

Earnshaw just reporting driving through a blizzard, given he left lunch time he must be nearly there.

Met office is for rain on and off, heavy at times, until kick off

Its going to be called off.

[Orion1871]

What were all the red flags when they allowed him to buy us?

That he liquidated 2 clubs after they approved his takeover? Or the fact the failed Hull takeover included a different consortium makeup?

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/efl-clears-takeover-of-promotion-chasing-reading/

Regardless of the different consortium aspect, from what I understand, the EPL shared their concerns about Dai with the EFL. The EFL also approved Dai's ownership conditionally and said he would be subject to increased scrutiny. It would seem they must have employed scrutineers who were as competent with numbers as Paul Simpson.

The EFL gave conditional approval for the deal in April but it has been reported that the Premier League, which gives input into the ownership status of teams who may compete in its competition, had been cautious about the deal due to aspects of the Dais' commercial history. Dai Yongge had earlier failed in an attempt to buy recently relegated Premier League club Hull City over concerns, later allayed, that he did not control the funds he was intending to use to complete the purchase. The Dais' takeover of Reading will remain subject to further oversight by the EFL.

The previous owners will retain a 25 per cent stake.

'The EFL can confirm that they have no objections to the change of control application made by Reading Football Club,' read an official statement issued by the EFL.

'Following a full review of the transaction, the EFL has insisted upon – and the club/new owners have agreed to – a number of additional reporting requirements including enhanced financial monitoring.

'This is so as to ensure that their performance is consistent with the application we have considered.

Ok, but that's not really a red flag, is it?

Dai Yongge had earlier failed in an attempt to buy recently relegated Premier League club Hull City over concerns, later allayed, that he did not control the funds he was intending to use to complete the purchase.

I still don't understand how the EFL are the big bad in this? They have a duty to the full set of 72 members to ensure the competition is fair. They don't have a magical crystal ball that allows them to see into the future.

All signings by all clubs have to be ratified by the governing bodies if we could prove that we were able to sustain the signings made at the time, what else can they do?

The EFL competition isn't fair to begin with. There are teams each season in the championship who are each given a huge amount of money every season by the Premier League giving them a bigger budget than anyone else in the championship and the other two EFL leagues. Therefore they have failed their attempts to make the competition "fair" at the first hurdle.

The scraps the other teams do get is financial blackmail from the Premier League, "Sign it or you don't get any money at all" leaving EFL clubs no choice but to sign up to the rules that the EFL impose.

[Stranded]

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/efl-clears-takeover-of-promotion-chasing-reading/

Regardless of the different consortium aspect, from what I understand, the EPL shared their concerns about Dai with the EFL. The EFL also approved Dai's ownership conditionally and said he would be subject to increased scrutiny. It would seem they must have employed scrutineers who were as competent with numbers as Paul Simpson.

Ok, but that's not really a red flag, is it?

Dai Yongge had earlier failed in an attempt to buy recently relegated Premier League club Hull City over concerns, later allayed, that he did not control the funds he was intending to use to complete the purchase.

I still don't understand how the EFL are the big bad in this? They have a duty to the full set of 72 members to ensure the competition is fair. They don't have a magical crystal ball that allows them to see into the future.

All signings by all clubs have to be ratified by the governing bodies if we could prove that we were able to sustain the signings made at the time, what else can they do?

The EFL competition isn't fair to begin with. There are teams each season in the championship who are each given a huge amount of money every season by the Premier League giving them a bigger budget than anyone else in the championship and the other two EFL leagues. Therefore they have failed their attempts to make the competition "fair" at the first hurdle.

The scraps the other teams do get is financial blackmail from the Premier League, "Sign it or you don't get any money at all" leaving EFL clubs no choice but to sign up to the rules that the EFL impose.

And if they agree to the PL money deal, they will essentially be accepting that the Championship is just the PL naughty step. If PL relegated clubs are allowed vastly larger budgets and losses then getting in for a "new" club will involve finishing 4th through 6th and hoping to win the playoffs.

[Snowflake Royal]

Their fans are as deluded as the manager.

https://thebuzzisback.boards.net/thread ... -fc?page=5

They seem deperate for us to go into administration and get hit with another points deduction. They don't seem to get the point the EFL penalties are based on precedent, apart from the world first for HMRC late payment.

They're just a jealous tinpot club who are ignorant to the reality of our situation. When they don't realise that the EFL have their fair share of blame to accept for the mess we're in by allowing Dai to buy us despite all the red flags.

Why are you always such an awful pcunt of an arrogant fan?

You support Reading not Utd or Chelsea ffs.

[Snowflake Royal]

What were all the red flags when they allowed him to buy us?

That he liquidated 2 clubs after they approved his takeover? Or the fact the failed Hull takeover included a different consortium makeup?

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/efl-clears-takeover-of-promotion-chasing-reading/

Regardless of the different consortium aspect, from what I understand, the EPL shared their concerns about Dai with the EFL. The EFL also approved Dai's ownership conditionally and said he would be subject to increased scrutiny. It would seem they must have employed scrutineers who were as competent with numbers as Paul Simpson.

The EFL gave conditional approval for the deal in April but it has been reported that the Premier League, which gives input into the ownership status of teams who may compete in its competition, had been cautious about the deal due to aspects of the Dais' commercial history. Dai Yongge had earlier failed in an attempt to buy recently relegated Premier League club Hull City over concerns, later allayed, that he did not control the funds he was intending to use to complete the purchase. The Dais' takeover of Reading will remain subject to further oversight by the EFL.

The previous owners will retain a 25 per cent stake.

'The EFL can confirm that they have no objections to the change of control application made by Reading Football Club,' read an official statement issued by the EFL.

'Following a full review of the transaction, the EFL has insisted upon – and the club/new owners have agreed to – a number of additional reporting requirements including enhanced financial monitoring.

'This is so as to ensure that their performance is consistent with the application we have considered.

Ok, but that's not really a red flag, is it?

Dai Yongge had earlier failed in an attempt to buy recently relegated Premier League club Hull City over concerns, later allayed, that he did not control the funds he was intending to use to complete the purchase.

I still don't understand how the EFL are the big bad in this? They have a duty to the full set of 72 members to ensure the competition is fair. They don't have a magical crystal ball that allows them to see into the future.

All signings by all clubs have to be ratified by the governing bodies if we could prove that we were able to sustain the signings made at the time, what else can they do?

They aren't.

Every time RB posts this shite he gets taken to school and mysteriously disappears.

[Royal_jimmy]

They seem deperate for us to go into administration and get hit with another points deduction. They don't seem to get the point the EFL penalties are based on precedent, apart from the world first for HMRC late payment.

They're just a jealous tinpot club who are ignorant to the reality of our situation. When they don't realise that the EFL have their fair share of blame to accept for the mess we're in by allowing Dai to buy us despite all the red flags.

Why are you always such an awful pcunt of an arrogant fan?

You support Reading not Utd or Chelsea ffs.

Why are you such a marxist fan who touches kids?

[Royal_jimmy]

Despite the shite forecast it's actually not rained up here since about 2am.

[Snowflake Royal]

They're just a jealous tinpot club who are ignorant to the reality of our situation. When they don't realise that the EFL have their fair share of blame to accept for the mess we're in by allowing Dai to buy us despite all the red flags.

Why are you always such an awful pcunt of an arrogant fan?

You support Reading not Utd or Chelsea ffs.

Why are you such a left wing fan who touches kids?

You really like broadcast what an awful person you are, don't you.

[Royals and Racers]

1 change Craig for Savage.

[NathStPaul]

Thought the game would be on. Glad the supporters didn't have a wasted trip.

[Millsy]

This really is one of those "must try and not lose or draw, ideally get three points" sort of games.

[Millsy]

They should've scored.