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[paddy20]

Neither of which are worth anything like the same value without a functioning club.

Not sure about that. If you live in the Barkham area believe me developers would jump at the chance at building thousands of houses on the training ground and I don't think they would have a problem getting that granted.
As for the stadium as I understand it if they want to sell it they have to offer it to RBC first and they then have 6 months to put in a bid. Supposing its worth £30m can you see RBC having funds to do that?
I believe the training ground is registered to a company in the Virgin Islands and the company owning the ground in Hong Kong and there may well be significant tax advantages rather than selling the club as a whole

[From Despair To Where?]

As has been pointed out on a number of occasions by others, there is limited development potential at the training ground because of protection orders and listed status.

Not sure you'd get anything near £30m for the ground either. As a functioning stadium maybe but I don't think the land is worth that much, especially considering the neighbouring land is owned by third parties. The Thais might want it for their REP development but they'd play hardball, as it would be a depreciating asset.

[Snowflake Royal]

As has been pointed out on a number of occasions by others, there is limited development potential at the training ground because of protection orders and listed status.

Not sure you'd get anything near £30m for the ground either. As a functioning stadium maybe but I don't think the land is worth that much, especially considering the neighbouring land is owned by third parties. The Thais might want it for their REP development but they'd play hardball, as it would be a depreciating asset.

Yeah, zero chance the stadium is worth £30m, and anyone paying that without a football club attached is never seeing a return.

It's a community asset, which makes it awkward. The land may have been decontaminated to the level you can build a stadium, but I doubt its fit for housing. Offices aren't exactly in high demand and other commercial stuff Doesn't seem likely. The council won't be enthused by change of use.

[Hound]

As has been pointed out on a number of occasions by others, there is limited development potential at the training ground because of protection orders and listed status.

Not sure you'd get anything near £30m for the ground either. As a functioning stadium maybe but I don't think the land is worth that much, especially considering the neighbouring land is owned by third parties. The Thais might want it for their REP development but they'd play hardball, as it would be a depreciating asset.

Yeah, zero chance the stadium is worth £30m, and anyone paying that without a football club attached is never seeing a return.

It's a community asset, which makes it awkward. The land may have been decontaminated to the level you can build a stadium, but I doubt its fit for housing. Offices aren't exactly in high demand and other commercial stuff Doesn't seem likely. The council won't be enthused by change of use.

Can’t think of anything that you could build on that land that would be especially attractive. By a motorway, too far out of town to be part of the centre so lack of of foot traffic, smells. No one wants these out of town retail things anymore.

[Sutekh]

Dai could save a lot of face if he decided to sell the whole kit and caboodle for a £1 but, sadly, that's never going to happen.

[Stranded]

As has been pointed out on a number of occasions by others, there is limited development potential at the training ground because of protection orders and listed status.

Not sure you'd get anything near £30m for the ground either. As a functioning stadium maybe but I don't think the land is worth that much, especially considering the neighbouring land is owned by third parties. The Thais might want it for their REP development but they'd play hardball, as it would be a depreciating asset.

Yeah, zero chance the stadium is worth £30m, and anyone paying that without a football club attached is never seeing a return.

It's a community asset, which makes it awkward. The land may have been decontaminated to the level you can build a stadium, but I doubt its fit for housing. Offices aren't exactly in high demand and other commercial stuff Doesn't seem likely. The council won't be enthused by change of use.

Yep the stadium needs someone playing in it. If we do go pop, then you aren't going to get a football club buying it and good point on the decontamination - the levels acceptable for public use for a few hours each week would be lower that those for a place where people will live and as such spend large amounts of their time.

The only other potential viable option would be someone like a rugby club buying it - but I would say given the financial struggles in that sport as well currently, that is unlikely. I know Wasps feel they are a position to relaunch, and Reading is closer to their traditional area but not to the level where they need a 24k stadium esp if they aren't playing in the English league, which seems to be the current thought process.

[Sutekh]

Swap with Maidenhead United.

[blythspartan]

As has been pointed out on a number of occasions by others, there is limited development potential at the training ground because of protection orders and listed status.

Not sure you'd get anything near £30m for the ground either. As a functioning stadium maybe but I don't think the land is worth that much, especially considering the neighbouring land is owned by third parties. The Thais might want it for their REP development but they'd play hardball, as it would be a depreciating asset.

Yeah, zero chance the stadium is worth £30m, and anyone paying that without a football club attached is never seeing a return.

It's a community asset, which makes it awkward. The land may have been decontaminated to the level you can build a stadium, but I doubt its fit for housing. Offices aren't exactly in high demand and other commercial stuff Doesn't seem likely. The council won't be enthused by change of use.

Yep the stadium needs someone playing in it. If we do go pop, then you aren't going to get a football club buying it and good point on the decontamination - the levels acceptable for public use for a few hours each week would be lower that those for a place where people will live and as such spend large amounts of their time.

The only other potential viable option would be someone like a rugby club buying it - but I would say given the financial struggles in that sport as well currently, that is unlikely. I know Wasps feel they are a position to relaunch, and Reading is closer to their traditional area but not to the level where they need a 24k stadium esp if they aren't playing in the English league, which seems to be the current thought process.

I know this is extremely unlikely but I have wondered if Chelsea would rent the stadium temporarily. Possibly, pay for the capacity to be increased and then use it whilst their new stadium is being constructed.

[Silver Fox]

Think that’s the main problem in all of this. No one really knows what his intentions are and why he’s behaving as he is.

And yet so many people seem to know exactly what his intentions/motivations are?

[windermereROYAL]

Think that’s the main problem in all of this. No one really knows what his intentions are and why he’s behaving as he is.

And yet so many people seem to know exactly what his intentions/motivations are?

Totally agree, Christ there`s even a phoenix club thread running now, it`s all very depressing that people on here know exactly what`s going on in Dai`s mind.
Why don`t we just wait and see before we all grieve over the death of our club before jumping to conclusions?

[Snowflake Royal]

Think that’s the main problem in all of this. No one really knows what his intentions are and why he’s behaving as he is.

And yet so many people seem to know exactly what his intentions/motivations are?

Totally agree, Christ there`s even a phoenix club thread running now, it`s all very depressing that people on here know exactly what`s going on in Dai`s mind.
Why don`t we just wait and see before we all grieve over the death of our club before jumping to conclusions?

We've had six years of him, it's not too tough to see where things are going.

[windermereROYAL]

And yet so many people seem to know exactly what his intentions/motivations are?

Totally agree, Christ there`s even a phoenix club thread running now, it`s all very depressing that people on here know exactly what`s going on in Dai`s mind.
Why don`t we just wait and see before we all grieve over the death of our club before jumping to conclusions?

We've had six years of him, it's not too tough to see where things are going.

Thanks for clearing that up Dai.

[Sutekh]

And yet so many people seem to know exactly what his intentions/motivations are?

Totally agree, Christ there`s even a phoenix club thread running now, it`s all very depressing that people on here know exactly what`s going on in Dai`s mind.
Why don`t we just wait and see before we all grieve over the death of our club before jumping to conclusions?

We've had six years of him, it's not too tough to see where things are going.

Especially as there are two clear examples already.

[jd82]

Anyone else heard the rumblings that a bid by someone close to DY has been blocked out of hand by NH and that the party currently closest to a deal is a Saudi consortium?

[WestYorksRoyal]

Anyone else heard the rumblings that a bid by someone close to DY has been blocked out of hand by NH and that the party currently closest to a deal is a Saudi consortium?

No

[Orion1871]

Think that’s the main problem in all of this. No one really knows what his intentions are and why he’s behaving as he is.

And yet so many people seem to know exactly what his intentions/motivations are?

Totally agree, Christ there`s even a phoenix club thread running now, it`s all very depressing that people on here know exactly what`s going on in Dai`s mind.
Why don`t we just wait and see before we all grieve over the death of our club before jumping to conclusions?

Don't think people are saying they know what is in the mind of Dai. Well, apart from Ian, who knows everything.

They're only using the fact that he appears to be behaving completely irrationally in regards to a sale to guess that the club is going to go the way of the other two he owned.

[Mr Angry]

It's utterly irrational, illogical and incomprehensible to us, but not to him.

He has invested a load of money and time into something, and now he wants a return on that investment.

He clearly has a price below which he won't sell and literally nothing that can be done will change that fact.

Whilst we might think "take the first decent offer you get, and get out cos otherwise you will be left with nothing" are missing the point; unless someone comes in and offers what he is asking (or very close to what he is asking) he simply won't sell.

If the club dies, he will think so what? He will take the view that he still owns the 2 most tangible assets (stadium and training ground) and at some point will sell them for close to what he wants.

Whether thats in the latter part of 2024, or in a couple of Years time, not a problem for him.

So the ONLY solution as I see it is that someone or some entity offers him what he wants otherwise thats that, probably in the Summer.

[Snowflake Royal]

Anyone else heard the rumblings that a bid by someone close to DY has been blocked out of hand by NH and that the party currently closest to a deal is a Saudi consortium?

No

I don't see how Howe could block anything Dai wanted to agree to, if it could meet FL requirements, and if it couldn't he could only advise that, not block it himself. He's got no authority.

[Snowflake Royal]

It's utterly irrational, illogical and incomprehensible to us, but not to him.

He has invested a load of money and time into something, and now he wants a return on that investment.

He clearly has a price below which he won't sell and literally nothing that can be done will change that fact.

Whilst we might think "take the first decent offer you get, and get out cos otherwise you will be left with nothing" are missing the point; unless someone comes in and offers what he is asking (or very close to what he is asking) he simply won't sell.

If the club dies, he will think so what? He will take the view that he still owns the 2 most tangible assets (stadium and training ground) and at some point will sell them for close to what he wants.

Whether thats in the latter part of 2024, or in a couple of Years time, not a problem for him.

So the ONLY solution as I see it is that someone or some entity offers him what he wants otherwise thats that, probably in the Summer.

Orion isn't going to be happy with you saying this.

[morganb]

Anyone else heard the rumblings that a bid by someone close to DY has been blocked out of hand by NH and that the party currently closest to a deal is a Saudi consortium?

No

I don't see how Howe could block anything Dai wanted to agree to, if it could meet FL requirements, and if it couldn't he could only advise that, not block it himself. He's got no authority.

Yeah, Nigel Howe is no Jackie Weaver