The general Euro2024 chit chat thread

[Uke]

Reportage to follow, match is good so far!

[Pepe the Horseman]

Group E bringing the drama. Assuming Belgium win v Romania and everyone's on 3pts going into the last game.

[From Despair To Where?]

Kieran Tierney ruled out of the rest of the tournament. On the plus side, Porteous missed more games for his red card.

Talking of Scotland, Shankland is twice the player Adams is. I get that Shankland isn't great as a lone striker but on the evidence of this tournament, neither is Adams. No idea why he isn't starting.

[WestYorksRoyal]

I assumed that players' levels would drop with moves to Saudi, but Kante remains a beast for France.

[Jinx]

The first time the English refs are in charge, you get a controversial 3 minute VAR decision

[genome]

Well if you ever needed proof that it's the people running VAR who are the problem, there you go. VAR has been effective all tournament and as soon as Taylor and Attwell are officiating this happens

[Sutekh]

The first time the English refs are in charge, you get a controversial 3 minute VAR decision

Yes, when are they going to send these idiots for training, 3 minutes to reach the conclusion that a player standing right next to the keeper/last defender was offside but then it is the same idiot that saw Hunt score for Reading v Watford.

[Orion1871]

The first time the English refs are in charge, you get a controversial 3 minute VAR decision

Second time. The Croatia penalty against Spain was a English officials VAR shambles too.

[Jinx]

I didn't see that game

[genome]

Call was probably correct tbh but why does it take 3 minutes to see that the Dutch player is in the way of the goalkeeper diving?

[Jinx]

Although the French keeper went "merde, I can't reach that, oh look there's a Dutchy there, I better appeal"

[NathStPaul]

France taking it nice an easy this evening. Minimal effort.

[tulip]

France not looking that good are they? Still haven't scored a goal even with Mbappe.

[tulip]

Although the French keeper went "merde, I can't reach that, oh look there's a Dutchy there, I better appeal"

+1 shocking decision.

[Uke]

Today’s match had a fantastic atmosphere with both sets of fans up for the match

It was evenly matched and the right result. Trubin pulled off some brilliant saves and Mudryk worked his arse off!

Düsseldorf has been a great host city the bars are buzzing tonight

Everywhere is full of Scots

Can recommend the whole Euro experience enough

[Royal Rother]

Kevin Garside sums it up very well.

And when Southgate intervened his first change was Conor Gallagher, a kind of fast-twitch replica of Rice, a player who runs about a lot but who cannot control a match at this level. So England had two of a kind when the situation was crying out for Kobbie Mainoo or Adam Wharton to put their foot on the ball and look up.

Their absence, plus that of Cole Palmer, was inexplicable in the context of the aimless, guileless plod. The reaction of the players suggested the experience felt as awful as it looked. None had an answer, just vague platitudes about a desire to get better.

Southgate has transformed the England experience in important ways, returned the national team to the centre of things again for the players and the fans.

In three prior tournaments he teased us with the delicious idea that England might just be good enough to win. But in the end we never quite escaped the suspicion that the one thing holding the team back was him.

The players and the FA love him. Of course they do. He is a thoroughly decent man and cares deeply about his flock, but no longer knows how to help them.

The England proposition is in a vastly better place than it was eight years ago when he swept up after Sam Allardyce. For all his leadership qualities, his understanding of group dynamics and sympathetic approach, his management skills have little application on match day when players need energy, direction, a plan and a sense of mission, all of which have been manifestly absent.

The best for which we can hope against Slovenia and beyond, is that the players take ownership of the problem and work it out for themselves.

Freed from Southgate’s suffocating yoke, England might yet do themselves justice, and by extension make the experience something to enjoy not endure, for us as well as them.

[bcubed]

Kevin Garside sums it up very well.

And when Southgate intervened his first change was Conor Gallagher, a kind of fast-twitch replica of Rice, a player who runs about a lot but who cannot control a match at this level. So England had two of a kind when the situation was crying out for Kobbie Mainoo or Adam Wharton to put their foot on the ball and look up.

Their absence, plus that of Cole Palmer, was inexplicable in the context of the aimless, guileless plod. The reaction of the players suggested the experience felt as awful as it looked. None had an answer, just vague platitudes about a desire to get better.

Southgate has transformed the England experience in important ways, returned the national team to the centre of things again for the players and the fans.

In three prior tournaments he teased us with the delicious idea that England might just be good enough to win. But in the end we never quite escaped the suspicion that the one thing holding the team back was him.

The players and the FA love him. Of course they do. He is a thoroughly decent man and cares deeply about his flock, but no longer knows how to help them.

The England proposition is in a vastly better place than it was eight years ago when he swept up after Sam Allardyce. For all his leadership qualities, his understanding of group dynamics and sympathetic approach, his management skills have little application on match day when players need energy, direction, a plan and a sense of mission, all of which have been manifestly absent.

The best for which we can hope against Slovenia and beyond, is that the players take ownership of the problem and work it out for themselves.

Freed from Southgate’s suffocating yoke, England might yet do themselves justice, and by extension make the experience something to enjoy not endure, for us as well as them.

Cue the Southgate defenders to say, he's got us into the top 4 in the world and we've reached Euros and World finals with ease, etc. But really when you've got such great players and the stats tell you that they are, how else do you explain such a dire performance. The manager has to take the blame for his selection, tactics and lack of match day nous.

[Snowflake Royal]

Kevin Garside sums it up very well.

And when Southgate intervened his first change was Conor Gallagher, a kind of fast-twitch replica of Rice, a player who runs about a lot but who cannot control a match at this level. So England had two of a kind when the situation was crying out for Kobbie Mainoo or Adam Wharton to put their foot on the ball and look up.

Their absence, plus that of Cole Palmer, was inexplicable in the context of the aimless, guileless plod. The reaction of the players suggested the experience felt as awful as it looked. None had an answer, just vague platitudes about a desire to get better.

Southgate has transformed the England experience in important ways, returned the national team to the centre of things again for the players and the fans.

In three prior tournaments he teased us with the delicious idea that England might just be good enough to win. But in the end we never quite escaped the suspicion that the one thing holding the team back was him.

The players and the FA love him. Of course they do. He is a thoroughly decent man and cares deeply about his flock, but no longer knows how to help them.

The England proposition is in a vastly better place than it was eight years ago when he swept up after Sam Allardyce. For all his leadership qualities, his understanding of group dynamics and sympathetic approach, his management skills have little application on match day when players need energy, direction, a plan and a sense of mission, all of which have been manifestly absent.

The best for which we can hope against Slovenia and beyond, is that the players take ownership of the problem and work it out for themselves.

Freed from Southgate’s suffocating yoke, England might yet do themselves justice, and by extension make the experience something to enjoy not endure, for us as well as them.

Cue the Southgate defenders to say, he's got us into the top 4 in the world and we've reached Euros and World finals with ease, etc. But really when you've got such great players and the stats tell you that they are, how else do you explain such a dire performance. The manager has to take the blame for his selection, tactics and lack of match day nous.

Its the players who play the game. I don’t care how bad the coaching, tactics and prep are, if you have the quality those players do you should play better.

Southgate's management has nothing to do with them making basic passing errors under no pressure.

Southgate has a solid record of performance, more than quite a few of these players at this level, you can't just absolve them of all responsibility and blame him.

No manager tells his players to go out and play at walking pace, with poor closing down, slow passing and no intent to score. So why are they doing it?

What Soughtgate is asking for is the tedious possession based domination of the first 30 minutes of the Serbia game. And the players did nothing like it against Denmark.

They've believed their own hype, vastly under appreciated their opposition, and aren't performing. That's on them as much as Southgate

[Jinx]

Kevin Garside sums it up very well.

And when Southgate intervened his first change was Conor Gallagher, a kind of fast-twitch replica of Rice, a player who runs about a lot but who cannot control a match at this level. So England had two of a kind when the situation was crying out for Kobbie Mainoo or Adam Wharton to put their foot on the ball and look up.

Their absence, plus that of Cole Palmer, was inexplicable in the context of the aimless, guileless plod. The reaction of the players suggested the experience felt as awful as it looked. None had an answer, just vague platitudes about a desire to get better.

Southgate has transformed the England experience in important ways, returned the national team to the centre of things again for the players and the fans.

In three prior tournaments he teased us with the delicious idea that England might just be good enough to win. But in the end we never quite escaped the suspicion that the one thing holding the team back was him.

The players and the FA love him. Of course they do. He is a thoroughly decent man and cares deeply about his flock, but no longer knows how to help them.

The England proposition is in a vastly better place than it was eight years ago when he swept up after Sam Allardyce. For all his leadership qualities, his understanding of group dynamics and sympathetic approach, his management skills have little application on match day when players need energy, direction, a plan and a sense of mission, all of which have been manifestly absent.

The best for which we can hope against Slovenia and beyond, is that the players take ownership of the problem and work it out for themselves.

Freed from Southgate’s suffocating yoke, England might yet do themselves justice, and by extension make the experience something to enjoy not endure, for us as well as them.

Cue the Southgate defenders to say, he's got us into the top 4 in the world and we've reached Euros and World finals with ease, etc. But really when you've got such great players and the stats tell you that they are, how else do you explain such a dire performance. The manager has to take the blame for his selection, tactics and lack of match day nous.

Its the players who play the game. I don’t care how bad the coaching, tactics and prep are, if you have the quality those players do you should play better.

Southgate's management has nothing to do with them making basic passing errors under no pressure.

Southgate has a solid record of performance, more than quite a few of these players at this level, you can't just absolve them of all responsibility and blame him.

No manager tells his players to go out and play at walking pace, with poor closing down, slow passing and no intent to score. So why are they doing it?

What Soughtgate is asking for is the tedious possession based domination of the first 30 minutes of the Serbia game. And the players did nothing like it against Denmark.

They've believed their own hype, vastly under appreciated their opposition, and aren't performing. That's on them as much as Southgate

Which is 100% the opposite of what you were saying about Selles when we were playing shite

[NathStPaul]

Jinx comes in for his fortnightly visit He's like a turd that won't flush.