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by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2024 00:36
WestYorksRoyal In all seriousness, there are big dilemmas none of us can answer as it comes down to choice of the buyer. With Bearwood and the Academy, our cost base is too big for L1. So do you accept short term losses to make us a sustainable Championship club, noting that's an open ended commitment as promotion from this league is difficult?
Or do you make cuts to the crown jewel of our academy and make us sustainable at this level?
Player sales can't bridge the gap. We did that last year and we still needed Couhig's loans over the summer. To get real player sales value you need players performing in the Championship who you can sell to the PL or at least recently relegated sides.
Agree with the general sentiment of tying down Selles, tying down players etc., but I think most of our plans would require a commitment of >£5m p.a., until we get promoted, whenever that may be. It's easy for me to say its a worthwhile investment when it's not my money. Perhaps there are creative ways to bridge the gap.
by blythspartan » 24 Oct 2024 07:37
Snowflake RoyalWestYorksRoyal In all seriousness, there are big dilemmas none of us can answer as it comes down to choice of the buyer. With Bearwood and the Academy, our cost base is too big for L1. So do you accept short term losses to make us a sustainable Championship club, noting that's an open ended commitment as promotion from this league is difficult?
Or do you make cuts to the crown jewel of our academy and make us sustainable at this level?
Player sales can't bridge the gap. We did that last year and we still needed Couhig's loans over the summer. To get real player sales value you need players performing in the Championship who you can sell to the PL or at least recently relegated sides.
Agree with the general sentiment of tying down Selles, tying down players etc., but I think most of our plans would require a commitment of >£5m p.a., until we get promoted, whenever that may be. It's easy for me to say its a worthwhile investment when it's not my money. Perhaps there are creative ways to bridge the gap.
It's possible to downgrade the Academy in the short term, with the capacity to upgrade it again. It's not like a downgrade is just forever and it falls apart, as we saw when it was downgraded. We've arguably lost as much talent early since it was rerated 1 as when it was down to 2.
Anyway
1 - offer Selles a rolling 18 month contract. Gives some security whislt also flexibility and doesn't tie either of us to costly long term deals that could be regretted.
2 - plan a temporary 2 year down grade of the Academy to Cat 2 to cut costs.
3 - target one player a year to sell for as good money as possible, preferably from an area of squad depth, whilst otherwide trying to keep our best players.
4 - aim to develop Pereira, Bindon, Mbengue, Dorsett, Craig, Savage, Elliott and Ehibhatiomhan into the core first team squad of Championship quality over two years, with Wing, Knibbs, Smith and Yiadom transitioning from first choice into bench players.
5 - look for cheap up and coming fullbacks, wingers and strikers to bolster the squad over the next two years.
6 - continue trying to make sure there is a pathway to the first team for the young players. Giving more minutes to Kanu, Osho, Garcia, Camara, Akande and co. Using preseason, trophy and cup games to help the transition.
7. Have a succession plan within the coaching staff for when there is inevitably management change.
8. Try to get more revenue out of the stadium, especially out of season m, and from the training ground if possible
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2024 08:29
blythspartanSnowflake RoyalWestYorksRoyal In all seriousness, there are big dilemmas none of us can answer as it comes down to choice of the buyer. With Bearwood and the Academy, our cost base is too big for L1. So do you accept short term losses to make us a sustainable Championship club, noting that's an open ended commitment as promotion from this league is difficult?
Or do you make cuts to the crown jewel of our academy and make us sustainable at this level?
Player sales can't bridge the gap. We did that last year and we still needed Couhig's loans over the summer. To get real player sales value you need players performing in the Championship who you can sell to the PL or at least recently relegated sides.
Agree with the general sentiment of tying down Selles, tying down players etc., but I think most of our plans would require a commitment of >£5m p.a., until we get promoted, whenever that may be. It's easy for me to say its a worthwhile investment when it's not my money. Perhaps there are creative ways to bridge the gap.
It's possible to downgrade the Academy in the short term, with the capacity to upgrade it again. It's not like a downgrade is just forever and it falls apart, as we saw when it was downgraded. We've arguably lost as much talent early since it was rerated 1 as when it was down to 2.
Anyway
1 - offer Selles a rolling 18 month contract. Gives some security whislt also flexibility and doesn't tie either of us to costly long term deals that could be regretted.
2 - plan a temporary 2 year down grade of the Academy to Cat 2 to cut costs.
3 - target one player a year to sell for as good money as possible, preferably from an area of squad depth, whilst otherwide trying to keep our best players.
4 - aim to develop Pereira, Bindon, Mbengue, Dorsett, Craig, Savage, Elliott and Ehibhatiomhan into the core first team squad of Championship quality over two years, with Wing, Knibbs, Smith and Yiadom transitioning from first choice into bench players.
5 - look for cheap up and coming fullbacks, wingers and strikers to bolster the squad over the next two years.
6 - continue trying to make sure there is a pathway to the first team for the young players. Giving more minutes to Kanu, Osho, Garcia, Camara, Akande and co. Using preseason, trophy and cup games to help the transition.
7. Have a succession plan within the coaching staff for when there is inevitably management change.
8. Try to get more revenue out of the stadium, especially out of season m, and from the training ground if possible
I was just about to write all this and you beat me to it
I would make sure that the communication to the fans was more open and honest. In addition, I’d look at different ways of trying to attract more fans to attend games (i.e. bring a mate/neighbour for £5).
by Brogue » 24 Oct 2024 08:30
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2024 08:39
Brogue I may have dreamt it but I’m sure there was a discussion saying that if we drop to cat 2 academy again that’s it. Why can’t get cat 1 back again. Ever. I have no idea whether that’s true or not. But if it is I would everything possible to keep it. As this last two season have shown just how important it is.
I’d not pay a transfer fee again until we are in the premier league. As I’m almost certain you can build a team for free to compete at the top end of both the champ and the league 1 with free transfers.
I’d look to maximise match day revenue as much as possibles I saw something on here about spurs, it might have been gwl. Saying how they put loads of things on to keep fans at the stadium after the game. And encourage people to arrive early.
Concerts at the stadium.
American football at the stadium
Get a rugby team back to share the ground
Share the training ground with another club or American football team.
Increase ticket prices.
Sell players every season.
Get a statue built of sjm and ssc
Open a club shop in town
Solar panel the roof and sell leecy back to the grid on non match days and be self sufficient on match days.
Bring catering in house to maximise profits.
Brew own beer on site like spurs do to maximise profits.
Get a better marketing team. Advertise the club in the town better. Work to get more sponsors. Work to increase the number of boxes full for corporate hospitality.
Get Amazon or Netflix to do a documentary series on us.
Do what the yanks do at baseball games where you get people walking up and down the stairs during the game selling hot dogs and coffee and bag of sweets for the kids.
by Brogue » 24 Oct 2024 08:43
Snowflake RoyalBrogue I may have dreamt it but I’m sure there was a discussion saying that if we drop to cat 2 academy again that’s it. Why can’t get cat 1 back again. Ever. I have no idea whether that’s true or not. But if it is I would everything possible to keep it. As this last two season have shown just how important it is.
I’d not pay a transfer fee again until we are in the premier league. As I’m almost certain you can build a team for free to compete at the top end of both the champ and the league 1 with free transfers.
I’d look to maximise match day revenue as much as possibles I saw something on here about spurs, it might have been gwl. Saying how they put loads of things on to keep fans at the stadium after the game. And encourage people to arrive early.
Concerts at the stadium.
American football at the stadium
Get a rugby team back to share the ground
Share the training ground with another club or American football team.
Increase ticket prices.
Sell players every season.
Get a statue built of sjm and ssc
Open a club shop in town
Solar panel the roof and sell leecy back to the grid on non match days and be self sufficient on match days.
Bring catering in house to maximise profits.
Brew own beer on site like spurs do to maximise profits.
Get a better marketing team. Advertise the club in the town better. Work to get more sponsors. Work to increase the number of boxes full for corporate hospitality.
Get Amazon or Netflix to do a documentary series on us.
Do what the yanks do at baseball games where you get people walking up and down the stairs during the game selling hot dogs and coffee and bag of sweets for the kids.
Someone said it, but they gave no evidence and it sounds like absolute horseshit.
What would be the grounds? What if we got promoted back to the Premier League, no one can seriously tell me because we had an issue in the pandemic and then had to cut costs for a while we'd be forever prevented from having a Cat 1 Academy as a PL club.
There might be a time limit or a waiting list before we could go back, but the idea we wouldn’t be allowed to have a Cat 1 Academy in 2040 because of 2025 is bonkers.
by WestYorksRoyal » 24 Oct 2024 08:43
Snowflake RoyalblythspartanSnowflake Royal It's possible to downgrade the Academy in the short term, with the capacity to upgrade it again. It's not like a downgrade is just forever and it falls apart, as we saw when it was downgraded. We've arguably lost as much talent early since it was rerated 1 as when it was down to 2.
Anyway
1 - offer Selles a rolling 18 month contract. Gives some security whislt also flexibility and doesn't tie either of us to costly long term deals that could be regretted.
2 - plan a temporary 2 year down grade of the Academy to Cat 2 to cut costs.
3 - target one player a year to sell for as good money as possible, preferably from an area of squad depth, whilst otherwide trying to keep our best players.
4 - aim to develop Pereira, Bindon, Mbengue, Dorsett, Craig, Savage, Elliott and Ehibhatiomhan into the core first team squad of Championship quality over two years, with Wing, Knibbs, Smith and Yiadom transitioning from first choice into bench players.
5 - look for cheap up and coming fullbacks, wingers and strikers to bolster the squad over the next two years.
6 - continue trying to make sure there is a pathway to the first team for the young players. Giving more minutes to Kanu, Osho, Garcia, Camara, Akande and co. Using preseason, trophy and cup games to help the transition.
7. Have a succession plan within the coaching staff for when there is inevitably management change.
8. Try to get more revenue out of the stadium, especially out of season m, and from the training ground if possible
I was just about to write all this and you beat me to it
I would make sure that the communication to the fans was more open and honest. In addition, I’d look at different ways of trying to attract more fans to attend games (i.e. bring a mate/neighbour for £5).
I'm not a fan of communication with the fans. They only care when there's a problem and nothing you say is good enough. Keep things going well and no one gives two shits about communication.
But yeah, I'd publish the plan, as far as reasonable and engage with fans forums.
I think we already do quite a lot for getting fans in, good prices, regular deals, etc. The thing that makes the difference is winning.
Oh, and I'd want the manager to put heavy emphasis on cup progression for the bonus income. Especially FA Cup in any season where we're not looking at being clear promotion chasers or relegation battlers by the time it comes round. That bonus income may not be a lot, but I bet you can make it more than the difference between 13th and 16th without getting to the final stages.
I'd look to invest in safe standing too, which is hopefully an easier way to expand capacity without going the whole hog on expansion. Maybe not the whole South stand, but preferably also a block or two of the East
by Snowflake Royal » 24 Oct 2024 08:47
BrogueSnowflake RoyalBrogue I may have dreamt it but I’m sure there was a discussion saying that if we drop to cat 2 academy again that’s it. Why can’t get cat 1 back again. Ever. I have no idea whether that’s true or not. But if it is I would everything possible to keep it. As this last two season have shown just how important it is.
I’d not pay a transfer fee again until we are in the premier league. As I’m almost certain you can build a team for free to compete at the top end of both the champ and the league 1 with free transfers.
I’d look to maximise match day revenue as much as possibles I saw something on here about spurs, it might have been gwl. Saying how they put loads of things on to keep fans at the stadium after the game. And encourage people to arrive early.
Concerts at the stadium.
American football at the stadium
Get a rugby team back to share the ground
Share the training ground with another club or American football team.
Increase ticket prices.
Sell players every season.
Get a statue built of sjm and ssc
Open a club shop in town
Solar panel the roof and sell leecy back to the grid on non match days and be self sufficient on match days.
Bring catering in house to maximise profits.
Brew own beer on site like spurs do to maximise profits.
Get a better marketing team. Advertise the club in the town better. Work to get more sponsors. Work to increase the number of boxes full for corporate hospitality.
Get Amazon or Netflix to do a documentary series on us.
Do what the yanks do at baseball games where you get people walking up and down the stairs during the game selling hot dogs and coffee and bag of sweets for the kids.
Someone said it, but they gave no evidence and it sounds like absolute horseshit.
What would be the grounds? What if we got promoted back to the Premier League, no one can seriously tell me because we had an issue in the pandemic and then had to cut costs for a while we'd be forever prevented from having a Cat 1 Academy as a PL club.
There might be a time limit or a waiting list before we could go back, but the idea we wouldn’t be allowed to have a Cat 1 Academy in 2040 because of 2025 is bonkers.
Oh absolutely, but seeing as I have no knowledge on this, I’m not going to make any assumptions. Even if what you are saying is completely logical and most likely true.
by Brogue » 24 Oct 2024 08:49
WestYorksRoyalSnowflake Royalblythspartan
I was just about to write all this and you beat me to it
I would make sure that the communication to the fans was more open and honest. In addition, I’d look at different ways of trying to attract more fans to attend games (i.e. bring a mate/neighbour for £5).
I'm not a fan of communication with the fans. They only care when there's a problem and nothing you say is good enough. Keep things going well and no one gives two shits about communication.
But yeah, I'd publish the plan, as far as reasonable and engage with fans forums.
I think we already do quite a lot for getting fans in, good prices, regular deals, etc. The thing that makes the difference is winning.
Oh, and I'd want the manager to put heavy emphasis on cup progression for the bonus income. Especially FA Cup in any season where we're not looking at being clear promotion chasers or relegation battlers by the time it comes round. That bonus income may not be a lot, but I bet you can make it more than the difference between 13th and 16th without getting to the final stages.
I'd look to invest in safe standing too, which is hopefully an easier way to expand capacity without going the whole hog on expansion. Maybe not the whole South stand, but preferably also a block or two of the East
I think that shows a level of disdain for the fans, probably borne out of this place and Twitter. Most fans are reasonable and would accept the difficult trade offs associated with running the club, so being honest and up front about them is definitely the best way. You would clearly have to draw the line at commercially sensitive stuff though; you'd never make your upcoming transfer window strategy public.
by Extended-Phenotype » 24 Oct 2024 09:12
by Armadillo Roadkill » 24 Oct 2024 09:33
by Millsy » 24 Oct 2024 14:04
Armadillo Roadkill All nice ideas, but where's the clamour for a roller disco?
by katweslowski » 24 Oct 2024 14:17
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