England - the future....

3779 posts
User avatar
Ascotexgunner
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 6007
Joined: 07 Jan 2012 16:23
Location: Ascot

Re: England - the future....

by Ascotexgunner » 16 Oct 2024 17:30

WestYorksRoyal
Ascotexgunner No international side has ever won a World Cup with a foreign manager, and I think only Greece have done it in the Euros. Personally I think a Tuchel appointment will end in tears.

I think its would have ended in tears for all available English candidates too tbh.


I dunno, Eddie Howe for me would have been my pick. But we shall see.
For Wales I'd always want a Welshman.

User avatar
Snowflake Royal
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 42668
Joined: 20 Jun 2017 17:51

Re: England - the future....

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Oct 2024 23:13

Well I'm certainly looking forward to him being the second coming as soon as he wins a couple of games and.l then being a shit foreign yes man after the first disappointing result.

User avatar
LUX
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 13386
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 09:38
Location: Keep this frequency clear

Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 17 Oct 2024 08:03

Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.

User avatar
Snowflake Royal
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 42668
Joined: 20 Jun 2017 17:51

Re: England - the future....

by Snowflake Royal » 17 Oct 2024 08:16

LUX Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.

I think it's reasonable to want someone English to manage England, it is the national side after all. That, of course, doesn’t mean one needs to have a xenophobic reaction to someone of another nationality being appointed.

It's a sad sign of how far our nation has regressed, that something seen as completely normal and accepted pushing towards 20 years ago with the likes of Ericsson and Capello now prompts xenophobic diatribes. Why anyone would want to take England back to 70s attitudes is beyond me, but that's where we seem to be unfortunately. And heading ever on back to the stone age.

Sutekh
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 20230
Joined: 12 Feb 2014 14:05
Location: Undiscovered pyramid somewhere in Egypt

Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 17 Oct 2024 11:12

Snowflake Royal
LUX Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.

I think it's reasonable to want someone English to manage England, it is the national side after all. That, of course, doesn’t mean one needs to have a xenophobic reaction to someone of another nationality being appointed.

It's a sad sign of how far our nation has regressed, that something seen as completely normal and accepted pushing towards 20 years ago with the likes of Ericsson and Capello now prompts xenophobic diatribes. Why anyone would want to take England back to 70s attitudes is beyond me, but that's where we seem to be unfortunately. And heading ever on back to the stone age.


Doesn't help the "buy in" that Capello and Ericsson were overall failures though. Personally would prefer an English/British manager but there aren't any out there that are really up to the job (and haven't been for ages but then that's a real issue with leading PL clubs chasing £££££ and not investing in the time managers from these shores need to develop, there must be great talent out there somewhere, it wouldn't suddenly just stop). At the end of the day Thomas is the best England could currently get, so who cares where he comes from?


User avatar
Snowflake Royal
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 42668
Joined: 20 Jun 2017 17:51

Re: England - the future....

by Snowflake Royal » 17 Oct 2024 12:03

Sutekh
Snowflake Royal
LUX Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.

I think it's reasonable to want someone English to manage England, it is the national side after all. That, of course, doesn’t mean one needs to have a xenophobic reaction to someone of another nationality being appointed.

It's a sad sign of how far our nation has regressed, that something seen as completely normal and accepted pushing towards 20 years ago with the likes of Ericsson and Capello now prompts xenophobic diatribes. Why anyone would want to take England back to 70s attitudes is beyond me, but that's where we seem to be unfortunately. And heading ever on back to the stone age.


Doesn't help the "buy in" that Capello and Ericsson were overall failures though. Personally would prefer an English/British manager but there aren't any out there that are really up to the job (and haven't been for ages but then that's a real issue with leading PL clubs chasing £££££ and not investing in the time managers from these shores need to develop, there must be great talent out there somewhere, it wouldn't suddenly just stop). At the end of the day Thomas is the best England could currently get, so who cares where he comes from?

Southgate is arguably our most successful manager, no trophy but multiple finals, certainly 2nd best, and yet his club record was nothing to cry home about.

Just because Howe and co haven't won the Premier League with moneybags FC doesn't mean they aren't up to the job.

Ericsson didn't really do a bad job. Better than Taylor, Hodgson et al.

User avatar
stealthpapes
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 7747
Joined: 05 Jun 2013 13:25
Location: proverbs 26:11

Re: England - the future....

by stealthpapes » 17 Oct 2024 15:03

I don't know how the stats have changed - maybe a homework exercise - but when I was doing my FA coaching badges, Germany had approximately ten times the number of qualified coaches at every level.

Culture and process beats individuals every single time.

User avatar
BRO_BOT
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 4668
Joined: 19 Jul 2023 23:48
Location: No reading. No research. Just strong opinions.

Re: England - the future....

by BRO_BOT » 17 Oct 2024 19:40

Snowflake Royal
LUX Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.


I think it's reasonable to want someone English to manage England, it is the national side after all. That, of course, doesn’t mean one needs to have a xenophobic reaction to someone of another nationality being appointed.


exactly...

Sanguine
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 26397
Joined: 27 Feb 2013 14:36

Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 07 Nov 2024 15:13

With the addition of Harwood-Bellis and Jones, there are eight of Carsley's U21 European champions in the latest England squad - albeit I think maybe Gomes, Palmer, Colwill and Jones will be the one that Tuchel keeps on.

Slough's Lewis Hall get his first call-up too.


Sanguine
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 26397
Joined: 27 Feb 2013 14:36

Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 14 Nov 2024 08:56

With the news that Ollie Watkins will start ahead of Kane in a must-win Nations League game tonight, I for one can't wait for Lee Carsley and his 'experiments' to fcuk off, tbh.

Sutekh
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 20230
Joined: 12 Feb 2014 14:05
Location: Undiscovered pyramid somewhere in Egypt

Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 14 Nov 2024 09:21

Sanguine With the news that Ollie Watkins will start ahead of Kane in a must-win Nations League game tonight, I for one can't wait for Lee Carsley and his 'experiments' to fcuk off, tbh.


The FA really screwed all this up, they knew Southgate would be likely to leave in the summer but instead of lining Tuchel up to immediately step in they went for this pointless experiment. But then that’s what FA’s do.

Sanguine
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 26397
Joined: 27 Feb 2013 14:36

Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 14 Nov 2024 09:42

I mean, by all means bring Carsley in for the immediate future, not least since we had Nations League games on the schedule. But as soon as Tuchel was agreed he should have started.

Injuries are what they are - like Trent's - but I don't think the squad would have seen nine players drop out if this was Tuchel's first game in charge. However well thought of Carsley is in the England setup, I'm not sure the players have bought in.

South Coast Royal
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 6463
Joined: 16 Jan 2020 17:29

Re: England - the future....

by South Coast Royal » 14 Nov 2024 15:04

Sanguine With the news that Ollie Watkins will start ahead of Kane in a must-win Nations League game tonight, I for one can't wait for Lee Carsley and his 'experiments' to fcuk off, tbh.


In fairness, they were saying that it might be because of Kane's fitness rather than an experiment.

I know that progression from the U21s is something to be encouraged (not for management though) but I feel that Carsley has gone a bit full-on with the idea when there are others who have been waiting in the wings and might be better options for a game that matters when it comes to seeding for the big tournaments.


User avatar
LUX
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 13386
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 09:38
Location: Keep this frequency clear

Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 14 Nov 2024 21:08

England all over Greece. But trying to walk it in. Hope it doesn’t cost us.

Edit, nearly just did, great save.

User avatar
LUX
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 13386
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 09:38
Location: Keep this frequency clear

Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 14 Nov 2024 21:10

Have never heard of more than half of that squad.

User avatar
LUX
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 13386
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 09:38
Location: Keep this frequency clear

Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 14 Nov 2024 21:11

Morgan Rogers?

User avatar
LUX
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 13386
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 09:38
Location: Keep this frequency clear

Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 14 Nov 2024 21:40

Comfortable in the end, some lovely goals/ forward play.

Carnabyswhiskers
Member
Posts: 7
Joined: 24 Aug 2024 00:33

Re: England - the future....

by Carnabyswhiskers » 14 Nov 2024 23:37

You've been out of the country too long, Lux. Rogers is a cracking player. This group + Tuchel could be a force at the World Cup (pending qualification of course). All we have lacked in recent tournaments is a coach able to spot issues during a game and make tactical/personnel changes to influence the game. We now have one. Trouble is, he might have fallen out with everyone before we even kick off.

Sutekh
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 20230
Joined: 12 Feb 2014 14:05
Location: Undiscovered pyramid somewhere in Egypt

Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 15 Nov 2024 06:56

Sublime goal for Jones, he’s really got something about him, still a way to go though.

User avatar
Royal Rother
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 21822
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 23:22
Location: The handsome bald fella with the blue eyes

Re: England - the future....

by Royal Rother » 15 Nov 2024 07:47

Carnabyswhiskers You've been out of the country too long, Lux. Rogers is a cracking player. This group + Tuchel could be a force at the World Cup (pending qualification of course). All we have lacked in recent tournaments is a coach able to spot issues during a game and make tactical/personnel changes to influence the game. We now have one. Trouble is, he might have fallen out with everyone before we even kick off.


Too much sense for your 4th post.

Previous name...?

3779 posts

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests

It is currently 23 Nov 2024 11:43