How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

[RoyalBlue]

The supporters will almost be split in half...

last poll on here showed something quite different, with the VAST majority wanting him to be given to the end of the season, regardless

Is your real name Joseph Goebbels by any chance? 50% wanted him to be given to the end of the season. 50% wanted him gone before. Just how is that a 'VAST majority wanting him to be given to the end of the season'?!!

What's more that poll was started very nearly a month ago. I suspect the result might be somewhat different now.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Plan B is a F***ing rapper - what use is he going to be in a Premier League football team?

Probably a lot more than any of Brian's summer signings.

[Caskeys Lovechild]

Without that fact, would the club have the PL money which would allow us to further invest next season? No matter how much of a spacktard you are, you should be able to understand the magnitude of last seasons achievements, are positive for the future - no matter what happens for the rest of the season.

Yeah lets waste last seasons achievements and just down without so much of a whimper, great logic Lets not even try to stay up

Brian bought poory in the summer, has no plan B and thats why I want him gone. No room for sentiment at this level.

Oh and as for your insult, brave behind a PC aren't you. Doubt you would say it to my face.

Actually, McDermott bought well in the summer, just not quite enough - you want him gone because he's got no plan B? So come on then - what's your masterplan?

You're full of brave faced thoughts - so what do you know, that we don't? Anyone worth their salt, has a job - even Harry F***ing Redknapp has a job, and he's a criminal! We are one of, if not THE least attractive team in the Premier League - and most people seem to want proven Premier League managerial experience.

Please state your master plan for avoidance of relegation, which does not involve financial ruin.

I am literally DYING to see it.

[Lacoste]

Without that fact, would the club have the PL money which would allow us to further invest next season? No matter how much of a spacktard you are, you should be able to understand the magnitude of last seasons achievements, are positive for the future - no matter what happens for the rest of the season.

Yeah lets waste last seasons achievements and just down without so much of a whimper, great logic Lets not even try to stay up

Brian bought poory in the summer, has no plan B and thats why I want him gone. No room for sentiment at this level.

Oh and as for your insult, brave behind a PC aren't you. Doubt you would say it to my face.

Actually, McDermott bought well in the summer, just not quite enough - you want him gone because he's got no plan B? So come on then - what's your masterplan?

You're full of brave faced thoughts - so what do you know, that we don't? Anyone worth their salt, has a job - even Harry F***ing Redknapp has a job, and he's a criminal! We are one of, if not THE least attractive team in the Premier League - and most people seem to want proven Premier League managerial experience.

Please state your master plan for avoidance of relegation, which does not involve financial ruin.

I am literally DYING to see it.

He bought well in the summer? Did you just say Brian bought well in the summer?

Shorey - Safe signing, probably the best he's made.
Gunter - Shit
Marriappa - Nowhere near the first team
GM - Nowhere near the first team
Guthrie - Not been seen in a month
Pog - Annonymous

How are the above good signings? A plan B would be to have Guthrie starting or on the bench to at least hold onto the ball when we are leading a game/holding on dfor a draw but no, precious Brian doesn't like to be challenged.

[Maguire]

This is all just wise after the event stuff. We were all pleased enough getting Guthrie and Pogrebnyak in the summer, it's only with the benefit of hindsight that everyone's calling them cheap-arse bullshit.

[Hoop Blah]

This is all just wise after the event stuff. We were all pleased enough getting Guthrie and Pogrebnyak in the summer, it's only with the benefit of hindsight that everyone's calling them cheap-arse bullshit.

Personally I still think they're good players who are capable of doing a reasonable job in this league.

Are they good buys for us though? At the time they were because they're good players and they showed the club were looking at players with some experience of the Premier League. The fact we haven't been able to make them effective in our managers preferred style of play probably makes them poor signings at the moment, not poor players, just poor signings for us and the way we're trying to play.

[Extended-Phenotype]

This is all just wise after the event stuff. We were all pleased enough getting Guthrie and Pogrebnyak in the summer, it's only with the benefit of hindsight that everyone's calling them cheap-arse bullshit.

Not sure if we were all THAT pleased iirc. And most of that happiness was from trust that the club knew what they were doing. Seeing as how nearly all of the signings may as well f/ck off on holiday that trust appears to have been misplaced.

[Maguire]

This is all just wise after the event stuff. We were all pleased enough getting Guthrie and Pogrebnyak in the summer, it's only with the benefit of hindsight that everyone's calling them cheap-arse bullshit.

Personally I still think they're good players who are capable of doing a reasonable job in this league.

Are they good buys for us though? At the time they were because they're good players and they showed the club were looking at players with some experience of the Premier League. The fact we haven't been able to make them effective in our managers preferred style of play probably makes them poor signings at the moment, not poor players, just poor signings for us and the way we're trying to play.

Yeah I'm not for one minute suggesting the root of our problems haven't been that the only one of our new signings to look the part is Nicky Shorey.

My pre-season optimism (by this I mean thinking we'd stay up) was based on us having just won the league and then adding several players to the squad better than what we already had. The fact that most of them don't even get a game tells its own story.

And even Gunter - when he does play - appears to have some kind of physical aversion to stopping opponents crossing a football.

Still, i'm not generally a fan of chopping and changing managers as stability seems to breed more success than swinging the axe. McDermott's been outstanding for 2.5 seasons, seems harsh calling for his head after 0.25 of a season.

[RoyalBlue]

Without that fact, would the club have the PL money which would allow us to further invest next season? No matter how much of a spacktard you are, you should be able to understand the magnitude of last seasons achievements, are positive for the future - no matter what happens for the rest of the season.

Yeah lets waste last seasons achievements and just down without so much of a whimper, great logic Lets not even try to stay up

Brian bought poory in the summer, has no plan B and thats why I want him gone. No room for sentiment at this level.

Oh and as for your insult, brave behind a PC aren't you. Doubt you would say it to my face.

Actually, McDermott bought well in the summer, just not quite enough - you want him gone because he's got no plan B? So come on then - what's your masterplan?

You're full of brave faced thoughts - so what do you know, that we don't? Anyone worth their salt, has a job - even Harry F***ing Redknapp has a job, and he's a c********!

Graham might prefer it if you removed that last remark before Harry's lawyers get hold of it!

[Cobi]

It’s Brian’s management that saw us sign a load of cheap arse bullshit pre-season. When are we going to stop this arrogant assumption we can do things differently to every other club in the league and that our way is best?

We didn’t have to go out and sign 20 new players, we didn’t even have to sign medium to top priced players. We had (and still have) a team to build on and the injection of some genuine quality, filling the gaps where we were lacking, would have put us in far better stead for life in the Premier League. This doesn’t mean doing a QPR or bankrupting ourselves like Portsmouth (the argument of morons who don’t understand the shades of grey in between black and white) – it means taking a solid, hard working championship team and adding the class needed to compete at the next level.

Instead we cut corners, raided the bargain bins and left ourselves short. People bang on about not wasting money; well – our ridiculous policy of buying f/cking rejects will lose us millions in Premier League money, just as it has in the past.

We have to change our transfer policy and allow ourselves the flexibility to bring in the quality for this level, where we need it. And to those who think this is akin to blowing millions on a team that equally could underperform, they are missing the point of the transfer market – buying to improve, not to replace.

Bringing in three quality players in January could rescue this season. Can’t help but think that if Brian does go, we get two decent players back that he has ousted, Pearce and Guthrie – that would be a start.

^^ My thoughts exactly.

Brian has a poor record in the market and built this team to be what it is today, a boring, uninspiring route one team.

New manager and 3 new players plus the two that are missing would give us half a chance.

Agree with both posts, begrudgingly so.

[bracksroyal10]

We have players good enough but ........

1. We do not know how to use them (or BMD doesn't)

2. We didn't offload enough tack in summer (e.g Harte, Bryn, Church etc) and we couldn't face the reality that is these players are not good enough for the Prem or are not good enough to consistently perform in the PL.

3. We should have dipped into some loans (Joe Cole and Nick Powell are players that come to mind and I think realistically had we pursued it Lukaku might of happened given the location of our club in comparison to Chelsea).

4. We should have players who are just as capable as the player they are replacing in the squad if there are injuries and suspensions. Centre midfield instantly comes to mind as we just do not have any quality at all when we lose Karacan and decide not to play Guthrie.

There is an opportunity to sort this out in January so I hope unlike SSC we don't gamble on players like Marek and get known proven quality in. This is what will make or break BMD as RFC manager in my eyes. We need to make difficult decisions regarding the futures of staff whether it be playing staff or managers if we want to make the transition and be successful at the top. It makes no sense with everyone being happy to drop back down to NPC there is an opportunity to progress as a club and be a PL success if we stay up and get that extra money.

[Extended-Phenotype]

We cut corners and brought in cheap players we thought could be good. That approach has failed. Again.

Swap the shite we brought in for the players we were looking at but stopped short of meeting their valuation – things would certainly be different. I doubt any of Sig, Rhodes, JCole, Defoe, Long, Bertrand, Zaha etc would be begging to make the f/cking bench.

Three players at a few million each seems like common sense after seeing our free players do little more than occupy a seat on the bus. If they are lucky.

[RoyalBlue]

We have players good enough but ........

1. We do not know how to use them (or BMD doesn't)

2. We didn't offload enough tack in summer (e.g Harte, Bryn, Church etc) and we couldn't face the reality that is these players are not good enough for the Prem or are not good enough to consistently perform in the PL.

3. We should have dipped into some loans (Joe Cole and Nick Powell are players that come to mind and I think realistically had we pursued it Lukaku might of happened given the location of our club in comparison to Chelsea).

4. We should have players who are just as capable as the player they are replacing in the squad if there are injuries and suspensions. Centre midfield instantly comes to mind as we just do not have any quality at all when we lose Karacan and decide not to play Guthrie.

There is an opportunity to sort this out in January so I hope unlike SSC we don't gamble on players like Marek and get known proven quality in. .

I would have thought that, as a regular Czech international, Marek was of proven quality. I think it was more of a Guthrie situation in that Coppell signed a player who didn't fit in with our style of play and couldn't/wouldn't adapt.

IMO Howard was another player falling into that category.

[Maguire]

I doubt any of Sig, Rhodes, JCole, Defoe, Long, Bertrand, Zaha etc would be begging to make the f/cking bench

How many of those did we have a genuine chance of signing?

Even the likes of Rhodes are totally unproven at this level and were he here and not scoring you'd be lambasting him as a waste of 7 million quid or whatever. He'd got no pedigree at this level after all.

[Cobi]

We'd get more from the players we have if we used them more effectively! You lose so much when you lump it forward all the time. 33% possession for Christ's sake.

Guthrie is a baller. He wants to dictate the pace and pass the ball about out wide and looks to break forward with it. We've got the likes of McCleary and Kebe who can run with the ball and cause all sorts of problems. Pog is a good goalscorer at this level, as seen with Fulham, but long balls don't get the best out of him.

It's the long ball that is killing us. Change that for a passing game and we'll be a lot more threatening.

[Extended-Phenotype]

I doubt any of Sig, Rhodes, JCole, Defoe, Long, Bertrand, Zaha etc would be begging to make the f/cking bench

How many of those did we have a genuine chance of signing?

Even the likes of Rhodes are totally unproven at this level and were he here and not scoring you'd be lambasting him as a waste of 7 million quid or whatever. He'd got no pedigree at this level after all.

What if he were here and scoring? Your argument seems to be 'at least the shit we've brought in didn't cost us much'. Hardly inspiring.

Point is, there were some decent players out there that would have been worth investing in. Just assuming they'd be crap isn't really much of a counter argument.

[bracksroyal10]

We have players good enough but ........

1. We do not know how to use them (or BMD doesn't)

2. We didn't offload enough tack in summer (e.g Harte, Bryn, Church etc) and we couldn't face the reality that is these players are not good enough for the Prem or are not good enough to consistently perform in the PL.

3. We should have dipped into some loans (Joe Cole and Nick Powell are players that come to mind and I think realistically had we pursued it Lukaku might of happened given the location of our club in comparison to Chelsea).

4. We should have players who are just as capable as the player they are replacing in the squad if there are injuries and suspensions. Centre midfield instantly comes to mind as we just do not have any quality at all when we lose Karacan and decide not to play Guthrie.

There is an opportunity to sort this out in January so I hope unlike SSC we don't gamble on players like Marek and get known proven quality in. .

I would have thought that, as a regular Czech international, Marek was of proven quality. I think it was more of a Guthrie situation in that Coppell signed a player who didn't fit in with our style of play and couldn't/wouldn't adapt.

IMO Howard was another player falling into that category.

I see where you are coming from regarding Marek but what I mean was that he was never proven in the PL. Unless you are a top top european player, I am not really a big fan of us bringing in foreign quality unproven in the PL.

What we need is players who are proven in the PL maybe not the best technically but they get things ticking in the team. Players like Craig Gardner, Kevin Nolan, Steve Sidwell, Osman. Not outstandingly brilliant players but they quietly go about their business very well and get things flowing for the team. We don't even seem to have players who can distribute a simple 5 yard pass right now.

[Maguire]

Yeah but do you think we really could have started the season with Defoe, Sigurdsson, and/or Shane Long in our team? I don't. They've all got better job offers.

On the face of it I reckon most people though Pogrebnyak was a decent signing. I know I did. In fact even having seen him play I think he's got ability, but he barely got near the goal when he was in the team.

I (think) I agree with whoever it was who said they're not poor players, we just haven't got the best out of them. Which is the manager's job of course, no argument there, but i'd be inclined to give him more than a dozen games to work it out.

[Lacoste]

http://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/article ... 06591.aspx

Keep clutching at those straws, Brian. I like you but it's time to go.

[RoyalBlue]

We have players good enough but ........

1. We do not know how to use them (or BMD doesn't)

2. We didn't offload enough tack in summer (e.g Harte, Bryn, Church etc) and we couldn't face the reality that is these players are not good enough for the Prem or are not good enough to consistently perform in the PL.

3. We should have dipped into some loans (Joe Cole and Nick Powell are players that come to mind and I think realistically had we pursued it Lukaku might of happened given the location of our club in comparison to Chelsea).

4. We should have players who are just as capable as the player they are replacing in the squad if there are injuries and suspensions. Centre midfield instantly comes to mind as we just do not have any quality at all when we lose Karacan and decide not to play Guthrie.

There is an opportunity to sort this out in January so I hope unlike SSC we don't gamble on players like Marek and get known proven quality in. .

I would have thought that, as a regular Czech international, Marek was of proven quality. I think it was more of a Guthrie situation in that Coppell signed a player who didn't fit in with our style of play and couldn't/wouldn't adapt.

IMO Howard was another player falling into that category.

I see where you are coming from regarding Marek but what I mean was that he was never proven in the PL. Unless you are a top top european player, I am not really a big fan of us bringing in foreign quality unproven in the PL.

What we need is players who are proven in the PL maybe not the best technically but they get things ticking in the team. Players like Craig Gardner, Kevin Nolan, Steve Sidwell, Osman. Not outstandingly brilliant players but they quietly go about their business very well and get things flowing for the team. We don't even seem to have players who can distribute a simple 5 yard pass right now.

Fully agree with that. However, for stating the bleeding obvious, we will be slammed as computer gamers by those who each month have predicted an improvement in the coming month and a move out of the relegation zone. They always have an excuse/reason for why we lose to team A and say that it doesn't matter because it is the result against team B that matters. Then when we lose to team B, we are given another excuse/reason, told it was unimportant and that the result against team C was always the one that mattered. And so they go on as we consolidate our position at the bottom.

I'm sure many good managers have come out with the phrase 'Football is really a simple game' and I've heard that from at least two at Reading including the much maligned Rodgers when my son had the benefit of some coaching from him. Those managers usually go on to explain that it is all about keeping the ball and making it do the work. Under McDermott we seem intent on doing the exact opposite. Maybe that is why we are where we are!