Coppell has gone

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Re: Coppell has gone

by Uke » 15 May 2009 14:48

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Royalee The vast majority of managers don't have the resources available at RFC.


Yeah, 106 points and 8th in the prem was pretty much par for the course, given all our billions. Wasn't it Royalee?


All built on one summer's work - what about the other 4 years?


Ignoring the years of rebuilding up to the promotion season, the first Prem year and a higer than originally expected finish this year...

Royalee, you have a quest for instant satisfaction - you can probably achieve this in easier ways, than following football

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Re: Coppell has gone

by RobRoyal » 15 May 2009 15:09

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Royalee The vast majority of managers don't have the resources available at RFC.


Yeah, 106 points and 8th in the prem was pretty much par for the course, given all our billions. Wasn't it Royalee?


We would almost certainly have better resources than most clubs in our current division, let alone in the whole football league.


And a higher level of expectation than almost anyone. "Most clubs in our current division" would consider 4th place a spectacular success. Apparently we consider it a failure.

Anyway, what the feck has this got to do with celebrating Coppell's humility? I never said he didn't have reason to be humble, I made the point that managers, whether successful or not, are generally creatures of great ego who go to extreme lengths to dodge criticism shift the blame on to the ref. Coppell, despite a level of success that few can equal (Royalee and co might not agree, but I think we'll see a Premiership chairman or two that does), despite the respect of a large part of the football community, retains a down-to-earth attitude and never comes accross as having an overblown ego.

It's what marks him out in the game, for me.

But then it's hardly a surprise that someone like Royalee is blind to the quality of humility, is it?

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Re: Coppell has gone

by RG30 » 15 May 2009 15:19

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Royalee The vast majority of managers don't have the resources available at RFC.


Yeah, 106 points and 8th in the prem was pretty much par for the course, given all our billions. Wasn't it Royalee?


All built on one summer's work - what about the other 4 years?


What about the defence then? They had a really good season in the 04/05 season, with Sonko dislodging Williams with relative ease. 19 clean sheets in the league, 44 league goals conceaded.

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Re: Coppell has gone

by Uke » 15 May 2009 15:25

RobRoyal But then it's hardly a surprise that someone like Royalee is blind to the quality of humility, is it?


Do you think there may be an underlying cause which may have caused him to go blind?

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Re: Coppell has gone

by papereyes » 15 May 2009 17:24

Rev Algenon Stickleback H how many of the last 6 years have we underachieved, based on resources?


I dunno - that really wasn't the point being made. But thanks for your well ... erm, for your intervention.

It was just worth reiterating for some of the people on here that what Royalee actually wrote was not factually incorrect and does indeed stand up.

At some point, some of you are gonna twig that we're a far bigger club than we were in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and even when the current run of success started under Pardew. I rather appreciate the growth we've made. Some of the people on here seem to actively resent it.

And a higher level of expectation than almost anyone. "Most clubs in our current division" would consider 4th place a spectacular success. Apparently we consider it a failure.


A fair point, perhaps, but Coppell himself would also consider it a failure, given his last interview for us. :|


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Re: Coppell has gone

by Murts-is-Lej » 15 May 2009 17:25

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RobRoyal But then it's hardly a surprise that someone like Royalee is blind to the quality of humility, is it?


Do you think there may be an underlying cause which may have caused him to go blind?


Bad upbringing perhaps?


Too much instant satisfaction I'd bet...

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Re: Coppell has gone

by Royalee » 15 May 2009 19:22

LOL

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Re: Coppell has gone

by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 15 May 2009 19:57

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Rev Algenon Stickleback H how many of the last 6 years have we underachieved, based on resources?


I dunno - that really wasn't the point being made. But thanks for your well ... erm, for your intervention.

It was just worth reiterating for some of the people on here that what Royalee actually wrote was not factually incorrect and does indeed stand up.


How?

His implication was that Coppell worked for a club which had a financial advantage.

Yes, we are richer than the Reading of the elm park era, and we are considerably richer than our previous equals such as Brentford and Bournemouth, but we aren't competing against clubs like that any more, and we certainly weren't when we were in the premiership.

Relegation from the premier was a failure because we had players who should have been able to keep us up, not because we had the resources to outspend the bottom teams.

Not going up this year was a failure for the same reason. We haven't exactly flashed the chequebook about to gain an instant return.

By championship standards, we are not a rich club.

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