The Non - League thread

[Terminal Boardom]

If that IS the case Windsor have alot more fans than many sides in league. How on earth do they survive on a handful of fans?

That's really a question for other clubs at and around Step 5. I would expect the reasons to include owning their own ground, membership fees, lack of playing budgets and excellent social club which not only serves the football club but also the local community.

[Royalist]

Doubt many clubs are really bringing in much/any money from other means having visited them.

All i am asking is where is whatever profit being made going to. It's not a dig or with agenda just a query.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

I remember Binfield published figures for their income a year or two ago, and hardly any of it (less than 10%, I think) was gate money.

[Four Of Clubs]

... here's the NL programme for this w/e - Trophy & Vase included - full draws on the usual (thefa.com)

Fri 14th Sep (19.30)
FA Vase 2nd Qualifying
115 Mole Valley SCR v Frimley Green @ Cobham FC

Saturday 15th Sept
FA Trophy Preliminary
18 Biggleswade Town v Halesowen Town
21 Brentwood Town v Harlow Town
22 Grays Athletic v Aylesbury
23 Walton & Hersham v Maldon & Tiptree
24 Hythe Town v Ware
25 Thamesmead Town v Burgess Hill Town
26 Royston Town v Aveley
27 Wroxham v AFC Hayes
28 Corinthian Casuals v Potters Bar Town
29 Romford v Dulwich Hamlet
30 Folkestone Invicta v Merstham
31 Northwood v Leatherhead
32 Needham Market v Maidstone United
33 Heybridge Swifts v Worthing
34 Cheshunt v Waltham Forest
35 Sittingbourne v Horsham
36 Chipstead v Waltham Abbey
37 Walton Casuals v Ashford Town (Middx)
38 Chertsey Town v Tilbury
39 Faversham Town v AFC Sudbury
40 Herne Bay v Chatham Town
41 Crawley Down Gatwick v Witham Town
42 North Greenford Utd v Tooting & Mitcham Utd
43 Clevedon Town v Wimborne Town
44 Merthyr Town v Fleet Town
45 Winchester City v Sholing
46 Thatcham Town v Tiverton Town
47 Godalming Town v North Leigh
48 Abingdon United v Bridgwater Town
50 Cirencester Town v Guildford City
51 Didcot Town v Paulton Rovers
52 Beaconsfield SYCOB v Poole Town
53 Swindon Supermarine v Yate Town
54 Mangotsfield United v Shortwood United


 
FA Vase 2nd Qualifying

86 Hoddesdon Town v FC Romania
87 Feltham v Hanwell Town
88 Hillingdon Borough v Clapton
89 Potton United v Hatfield Town
90 Biggleswade United v Colney Heath
91 Haringey Borough v Hadley
92 Hertford Town v Crawley Green
93 St Margaretsbury v London Lions
94 Cranfield Utd v Berkhamsted
95 Barking v London Tigers
96 Sawbridgeworth Town v Sporting Bengal Utd
97 Oxhey Jets v Bedfont Sports
98 Wembley v London Colney
99 Cockfosters v AFC Kempston Rovers
100 Codicote v Langford
101 Holyport v Winslow United - might be short odds on a big score here: away side, new to STEP06, must have had an upheaval of late - started 12/13 OK but conceded 26 in their last 4 league games - Holyport have been scoring quite freely in their league games this season already - cue 0-0!
102 Fairford Town v Hook Norton
103 Amersham Town v Carterton
104 Kidlington v Bracknell Town - if Robins are to upset another higher placed side: Kiddy are one of the most likely - having a season almost as bad as RTFC.
105 Holmer Green v Witney Town
106 Sandhurst Town v Milton United
107 Newbury v Lydney Town
108 Highmoor Ibis v Wokingham & Emmbrook
109 Cove v Wantage Town
110 Shrivenham v Cheltenham Saracens
111 Chinnor v Ascot United
112 Thame United v Buckingham Athletic
113 Fisher v Canterbury City
114 Pagham v Chichester City
116 Peacehaven & Telscombe v AFC Uckfield
117 Beckenham Town v Wick
118 Ash United v Banstead Athletic
119 Lingfield v Dorking Wanderers
120 Cobham v AFC Croydon Athletic
121 Ringmer v Littlehampton Town
122 Horley Town v Seaford Town
123 Camberley Town v Colliers Wood United
124 Arundel v Deal Town
125 Horsham YMCA v Holmesdale
126 East Preston v Croydon
127 St Francis Rangers v Ashford United
128 Guernsey v Farnham Town
129 Sevenoaks Town v Chessington & Hook Utd
130 Lordswood v Raynes Park Vale
- may grit the teeth and have a go at one of these last two - can't possibly run into M25 being completely ph£cked for a FIFTH journey in a row - can I?
Possibly leave even earlier than usual and take the more sedate A25 option - or completely give up and WALK to Palmer Park for tie no. 108 above
131 Whitchurch United v Bristol Academy
132 Fleet Spurs v Calne Town
133 Bradford Town v Downton
134 Hayling United v AFC Portchester
135 Blackfield & Langley v Bristol Manor Farm
136 Longwell Green Sports v Cowes Sports
137 Horndean v Melksham Town
138 Westbury United v Romsey Town
139 New Milton Town v Lymington Town
140 US Portsmouth v Swanage Town & Herston
141 Hamworthy United v Fawley
142 Cadbury Heath v Roman Glass St George
143 Winterbourne United v GE Hamble
144 Fareham Town v Alton Town
145 Warminster Town v Petersfield Town
146 Newport (IW) v Alresford Town
147 Odd Down v Cullompton Rangers
148 Barnstaple Town v Wellington
149 Brislington v Hengrove Athletic
150 Wells City v Exmouth Town
151 Bovey Tracey v Welton Rovers
152 St Blazey v Bishop Sutton
153 AFC St Austell v Ashton & Backwell United
154 Buckland Athletic v Porthleven
155 Minehead v Bodmin Town
156 Bridport v Sherborne Town
157 Street v Gillingham Town
158 Radstock Town v Saltash United

CONFS
AFC Hornchurch v Dorchester
Bath City v Dover
Chelmsford v Weston-S-Mare
Eastbourne Borough v Basingstoke
Eastleigh v Maidenhead Utd
Farnborough v Welling
Hayes & Yeading v Salisbury
Staines Town v Billericay
Sutton Utd v Havant and W
Tonbridge Angels v Boreham Wood
Truro City v Bromley

SOUTHP
Chesham United v Gosport Borough
SOUTH1C
Uxbridge v Woodford United
CCL
Egham Town v South Park
Hanworth Villa v Windsor
Hartley Wintney v Badshot Lea
CCL1
Cobham v Farleigh Rovers
Epsom Athletic v Eversley & California
Sheerwater v Worcester Park
Spelthorne Sports v Knaphill
Staines Lammas v South Kilburn
Warlingham v CB Hounslow United

HELLP
Binfield v Reading Town
Marlow v Abingdon Town
Oxford City Nomads v Ardley United
Slimbridge v Flackwell Heath
HELL1E
Rayners Lane v AFC Hinksey
B&B Intermediate R1
14:30 Woodley Town v Finchampstead

Sun 16 Sep 14:00
FA Trophy
49 Slough Town v Hungerford Town

[Royal Rother]

More new players expected in the Windsor squad today but away to a decent Hanworth Villa outfit another spanking is on the cards. Not 8 though. Please.

[Four Of Clubs]

More new players expected in the Windsor squad today but away to a decent Hanworth Villa outfit another spanking is on the cards. Not 8 though. Please.

... yes good luck - seen H.Villa a couple of times since they've been in the Prem and they do look a decent outfit - certainly going forward.

Interesting ground Rectory Meadows - should you be thinking of going - quite an easy journey too. Straight up the top end of the M3 - straight on (A316) and look for ground on the left after about 2 miles - take a left filter (A314 Hounslow Rd) just past it - almost immediately left again (at the 2nd roundabout) down Park Rd - keep bearing left 'til you are back parallel with the A316 then follow the road round to the end and the Club Car Park.

- on the outside looks like an absolute tip - some desultory stands being put together - one new Atcost type - clubhouse looks like something out of E.Berlin - but once inside its not half-bad.

[Royal Rother]

Thanks. Streaming cold today but a bit of fresh air should dry me up nicely!

Or kill me off.

[Four Of Clubs]

Thanks. Streaming cold today but a bit of fresh air should dry me up nicely!

Or kill me off.

... hmm doubt if the result from Rectory Meadows blew the cobwebs away ?

... here's the NL round up - a couple of Vase results for Wessex clubs haven't found their way into the public domain yet official FA site seems to have 'lost' all of yesterday's results from the Vase and a fair number for the Trophy - sure they were on their site yesterday evening.

Fri 14th Sep
FA Vase 2nd Qualifying
115 Mole Valley SCR 0-1 Frimley Green

Saturday 15th Sept

FA Trophy Preliminary
18 Biggleswade Town 2-2 Halesowen Town
21 Brentwood Town 0-0 Harlow Town
22 Grays Athletic 2-1 Aylesbury
23 Walton & Hersham 3-2 Maldon & Tiptree
24 Hythe Town 4-0 Ware
25 Thamesmead Town 1-1 Burgess Hill Town
26 Royston Town 5-1 Aveley
27 Wroxham 3-1 AFC Hayes
28 Corinthian Casuals 1-2 Potters Bar Town
29 Romford 3-1 Dulwich Hamlet
30 Folkestone Invicta 0-0 Merstham
31 Northwood 0-1 Leatherhead
32 Needham Market 3-4 Maidstone United
33 Heybridge Swifts 4-1 Worthing
34 Cheshunt 1-3 Waltham Forest
35 Sittingbourne 4-0 Horsham
36 Chipstead 0-1 Waltham Abbey
37 Walton Casuals 1-5 Ashford Town (Middx)
38 Chertsey Town 4-1 Tilbury
39 Faversham Town 1-0 AFC Sudbury
40 Herne Bay 0-2 Chatham Town
41 Crawley Down Gatwick 2-1 Witham Town
42 North Greenford Utd 1-3 Tooting & Mitcham Utd
43 Clevedon Town 2-2 Wimborne Town
44 Merthyr Town 1-1 Fleet Town
45 Winchester City 1-2 Sholing
46 Thatcham Town 0-1 Tiverton Town
47 Godalming Town 0-1 North Leigh
48 Abingdon United 2-4 Bridgwater Town
50 Cirencester Town 2-3 Guildford City
51 Didcot Town 0-0 Paulton Rovers
52 Beaconsfield SYCOB 0-0 Poole Town
53 Swindon Supermarine 0-0 Yate Town
54 Mangotsfield United 0-0 Shortwood United


 
FA Vase 2nd Qualifying

86 Hoddesdon Town 7-0 FC Romania
87 Feltham 2-6 Hanwell Town
88 Hillingdon Borough 1-2 Clapton
89 Potton United 1-2 Hatfield Town
90 Biggleswade United 1-3 Colney Heath
91 Haringey Borough 0-4 Hadley
92 Hertford Town 2-2 Crawley Green
93 St Margaretsbury 0-3 London Lions
94 Cranfield Utd 1-2 Berkhamsted
95 Barking 1-0 London Tigers
96 Sawbridgeworth Town 4-5 Sporting Bengal Utd
97 Oxhey Jets 5-2 Bedfont Sports
98 Wembley 4-1 London Colney
99 Cockfosters 3-2 AFC Kempston Rovers
100 Codicote 2-0 Langford
101 Holyport 3-0 Winslow United
102 Fairford Town 3-3 Hook Norton
103 Amersham Town 4-2 Carterton
104 Kidlington 3-2 Bracknell Town
105 Holmer Green 0-6 Witney Town
106 Sandhurst Town 6-1 Milton United
107 Newbury 6-0 Lydney Town
108 Highmoor Ibis 1-3 Wokingham & Emmbrook (aet1-1 @ FT) att: 52 – paying – headcount nearer 100. Played safe and popped along - nearly late too - they've changed the entrance layout to what it was all last season - the access to the stand and pay table is now round the right-hand end of the big stand. Lots of 'keep out H/I spectators' type signs in and around the complex - hmmmm very welcoming - got interrogated by some busybody when I wandered into Reception with my youngest looking for the way in. She snootily pointed out that there were signs all over the doors - I riposted in similar tone with the view that, since I had approached from the direction of the gate they had been using ALL last season, I wouldn't have seen the *&^%ing signs!
The normal refreshments weren't available - some Tea/Coffees/Soft Drinks and a few snacks on a Table at the back of the Stand - Cycling meeting were using the RSAC clubhouse. Wok & Emm did all they could to go out at this stage - were limp and listless throughout - suspect they had a lot of their squad unavailable - H/I weren't much better. Away side missed a pen to draw level on 80' then scored from another in injury time, to take us to the extra half-hour. 'Sumas' finally found a bit of a spark and scored twice as H/I tired. Big no 5 from Highmoor went up front late on and merely re-affirmed their unwanted reputation as an aggresive and unpleasant outfit. He'd already got a Yellow for a clear elbow - nearly got another for dragging someone back by the neck as he was outpaced for the ball then lost it completely with the Ref as he was given a deserved 2nd yellow for scything down the full-back as he cleared the ball. As this prize c&ck stormed off - he offered to take on all comers hurling (deserved) abuse at him from the stands!
109 Cove 1-6 Wantage Town (aet 1-1 @ FT)
110 Shrivenham 0-4 Cheltenham Saracens
111 Chinnor 0-1 Ascot United att: 271 – first match on their new upgraded facility
112 Thame United 3-2 Buckingham Athletic
113 Fisher 1-2 Canterbury City
114 Pagham 3-1 Chichester City
116 Peacehaven & Telscombe 5-2 AFC Uckfield
117 Beckenham Town 3-0 Wick
118 Ash United 4-1 Banstead Athletic
119 Lingfield 3-2 Dorking Wanderers
120 Cobham 0-1 AFC Croydon Athletic
121 Ringmer 1-2 Littlehampton Town
122 Horley Town 4-1 Seaford Town
123 Camberley Town 1-4 Colliers Wood United
124 Arundel 1-2 Deal Town
125 Horsham YMCA 4-2 Holmesdale
126 East Preston 0-1 Croydon
127 St Francis Rangers 2-0 Ashford United
128 Guernsey 2-0 Farnham Town
129 Sevenoaks Town 3-2 Chessington & Hook Utd
130 Lordswood 2-1 Raynes Park Vale
131 Whitchurch United n/a Bristol Academy
132 Fleet Spurs 0-3 Calne Town
133 Bradford Town 1-2 Downton
134 Hayling United n/a AFC Portchester
135 Blackfield & Langley 3-2 Bristol Manor Farm
136 Longwell Green Sports 2-0 Cowes Sports
137 Horndean 4-3 Melksham Town
138 Westbury United 4-1 Romsey Town
139 New Milton Town n/a Lymington Town
140 US Portsmouth 0-3 Swanage Town & Herston
141 Hamworthy United n/a Fawley
142 Cadbury Heath 2-1 Roman Glass St George
143 Winterbourne United 0-3 GE Hamble
144 Fareham Town 3-6 Alton Town
145 Warminster Town 0-4 Petersfield Town
146 Newport (IW) 2-1 Alresford Town
147 Odd Down 8-1 Cullompton Rangers
148 Barnstaple Town 2-1 Wellington
149 Brislington 1-0 Hengrove Athletic
150 Wells City 0-1 Exmouth Town
151 Bovey Tracey 3-0 Welton Rovers
152 St Blazey 3-1 Bishop Sutton
153 AFC St Austell 1-0 Ashton & Backwell United
154 Buckland Athletic 7-1 Porthleven
155 Minehead 0-4 Bodmin Town
156 Bridport 0-3 Sherborne Town
157 Street 5-0 Gillingham Town
158 Radstock Town 1-2 Saltash United

CONFS
AFC Hornchurch 1-0 Dorchester
Bath City 1-2 Dover
Chelmsford 2-1 Weston-S-Mare
Eastbourne Borough 1-0 Basingstoke
Eastleigh 4-2 Maidenhead Utd
Farnborough 0-3 Welling
Hayes & Yeading 2-3 Salisbury
Staines Town 1-2 Billericay
Sutton Utd 1-1 Havant and W
Tonbridge Angels 4-2 Boreham Wood
Truro City 0-1 Bromley

SOUTHP
Chesham United 0-3 Gosport Borough
SOUTH1C
Uxbridge 4-0 Woodford United
CCL
Egham Town 0-2 South Park
Hanworth Villa 6-1 Windsor
Hartley Wintney 0-6 Badshot Lea
CCL1
Epsom Athletic 0-3 Eversley & California
Sheerwater 0-3 Worcester Park
Spelthorne Sports 5-0 Knaphill
Staines Lammas 0-4 South Kilburn
Warlingham 2-4 CB Hounslow United

HELLP
Binfield 2-1 Reading Town att 91 - well - RTFC getting closer to their first point although they were 2 behind until 89' - now host Thame on Tue evening. Moles up to 5th but next have to visit Faraday Rd where the home side have been knocking them in for fun - with a certain Mr Spence to the fore - though oddly enough he didn't score in the 6-0 win in the Vase game above v Lydney. Not sure if he was playing.
Marlow 8-1 Abingdon Town
Oxford City Nomads 5-2 Ardley United
Slimbridge 2-1 Flackwell Heath
HELL1E
Rayners Lane 5-1 AFC Hinksey
B&B Intermediate R1
Woodley Town 3-0 Finchampstead

[floyd__streete]

More new players expected in the Windsor squad today but away to a decent Hanworth Villa outfit another spanking is on the cards. Not 8 though. Please.

6-1

[Royal Rother]

No new signings, and Ashe and Dunlop the 2 experienced guys weren't around.

Our oldest player was 21. And our keeper is one of the worst I've ever seen in the CCL.

Men against boys and 6-1 was a surprisingly decent scoreline in the circs. They will keep improving and we'll be ok, and proud of every point. Not quite sure where the next one's coming from though...

[Four Of Clubs]

No new signings, and Ashe and Dunlop the 2 experienced guys weren't around.

Our oldest player was 21. And our keeper is one of the worst I've ever seen in the CCL.

Men against boys and 6-1 was a surprisingly decent scoreline in the circs. They will keep improving and we'll be ok, and proud of every point. Not quite sure where the next one's coming from though...

... well - Cove went down by the same score at home in the Vase (aet too ) albeit against a Wantage side who could be getting somewhere back near their Hellenic title-winning form of 10/11.

Seen Cove at Sandhurst earlier this season and they too looked big and forceful going forward but all over the place defensively - so you never know ......

... not sure they are all that great 'discipline-wise' either - got their fair-share of short-fused tyros.

Fair set on dashing over for: Newbury vs Binfield on Tue eve myself.

.... few other 'local' games the same night - Wokkers v Ascot, RTFC v Thame, Wantage v Holyport, Camberley v Farnham, Tadley v US Porstmarf, Fleet Spurs v Whitchurch.

also Fleet Town vs Merthyr - FA Trophy Prelim replay.

or should you fancy something slightly more exotic - there's Oxford City v Corby in the Conference NORTH!

[Christof]

FA Trophy result from today - Slough Town 2-1 Hungerford Town.

Pretty poor game, with Slough taking an early lead from a defensive mix-up. Sean Sonner got a straight red for a two-footed tackle first half, so Slough down to 10 men. Lots of pressure from Hungerford but cannot honestly recall them having a shot on target until about 70 mins. Slough doubled the lead with about 3 mins left, lovely strike, then Hungerford got a consolation in the last minute.

No James Harper (presume he's moved on after pre-season), but their no. 8 was Ian Herring... Also Michael Gilkes is Hungerford's Asst Mgr, so a small Reading connection.

[Royal Rother]

He's at Doncaster Rovers.

[Royalist]

Long hard slog for Windsor although played 2 of the better sides and i've not seen games results suggest relegation is a possabilty.

Wonder if Mr Stott will use little money coming in to bring in a few old heads. Then again at this level its more about who the manager knows!

[FinchOwl]

Binfield 2-1 Reading Town att 91 - well - RTFC getting closer to their first point although they were 2 behind until 89' - now host Thame on Tue evening. Moles up to 5th but next have to visit Faraday Rd where the home side have been knocking them in for fun - with a certain Mr Spence to the fore - though oddly enough he didn't score in the 6-0 win in the Vase game above v Lydney. Not sure if he was playing.

Went and watched this on Sat, Binfield appeared to have their tactics all wrong for the majority of the game. Although in saying that the Reading Town keeper made a string of fine saves to keep his side in it, I would say that was more down to the deficiencies of the 10 men in front of him than great play from the Moles. A pretty poor game by all accounts, but the refurbed club house is relatively nice, and my mate said the burger he had at half time was very good. Binfield will have to improve if they are to have a say in the title race. RT have a very young side, with a few promising players. But they need to improve an awful lot to get themselves out of the relegation scrap

[Tony Le Mesmer]

we'll be ok..... Not quite sure where the next one's coming from though...

In other words, you wont be OK. Windsor just lurch from one extreme to the other with the way the club is run. They have all the stability of manic Bipolar Disorder.

[Royal Rother]

Long hard slog for Windsor although played 2 of the better sides and i've not seen games results suggest relegation is a possabilty.

Wonder if Mr Stott will use little money coming in to bring in a few old heads. Then again at this level its more about who the manager knows!

The lads have already improved between games 1 and 2 but I think only 6 of the team that played on Monday were in the team on Saturday. A goalkeeper is the priority. Mark Banfry was on the bench on Monday but not Saturday - he played a few games last year and is a good shot stopper. Bit odd that none of the 4 experienced heads who were in Monday's team were at Hanworth on Saturday, that's Dunlop, Seedel, Ashe (who all played) and Banfry. Confusing really.

I am sure there will be some wise heads brought in but not at a cost. There is no playing budget this year.

[Royalist]

In non Windsor news i see Maidenhead are aiming to build a 500 seater stand...for their less than 400 fans. I don't understand why non league sides do vanity projects like this! I remember Leyton doing it when they had less than 100 fans! That said the club went bust when the owner went to jail so who knows what was going on in that affair!

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

There is no playing budget this year.

How many clubs at that level have a proper playing budget? Isn't the game more or less amateur by the time you get that far down?

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Isn't it all tied up with Ground Grading requirements - the minimums for each level are constantly going up, and clubs have to abide by them (unless they're Hampton & Richmond and have Brian Barwick on the board)