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[Ian Royal]

Seen it again. I'm even less convinced it was a penalty in the first place now.

I suspect it would be a one game ban, with a possible additional game for it being his second red.

If it happened the other way round, and the referee gave a pen but did not send of the defender, I guarantee you would have been foaming at the mouth demanding the referee be struck off for not giving an obvious red card. I wonder how you would have reacted if he hadnt given a pen! As I said, if it was the other way round.

I guarantee you are completely and utterly wrong.

[Ian Royal]

you reckon that he deflected the ball off his chest onto his arm on purpose?

Especially seeing as the hit on the arm actually sent it back towards the goal and behind him.

[Half Horse]

Seen it again. I'm even less convinced it was a penalty in the first place now.

I suspect it would be a one game ban, with a possible additional game for it being his second red.

If it happened the other way round, and the referee gave a pen but did not send of the defender, I guarantee you would have been foaming at the mouth demanding the referee be struck off for not giving an obvious red card. I wonder how you would have reacted if he hadnt given a pen! As I said, if it was the other way round.

Yes, the litmus test is to ask what you would feel if it was the other way round. I guarantee 99% of posters would be screaming for a penalty and a red card. The ref wasn't very good but he got this right and as soon as he gives a pen he has no option but to give a red as the ball was on it's way to the onion bag. Just be glad it cost us no points.

[howser]

Good hard working result, great performance from Howard, he is a decent player at this level, just hope some on here get off his back now.

[Franchise FC]

Feds - 7/8: Good few saves, but was he really that great, not much else to do

What else do you want him to do? Aside from the penalty, he had it covered.

Kebe - 7: Few very good runs but this were always typical Kebe: ended up with nothing!

Except a goal, of course.

My memory must be extremely crap. The game's only been over about an hour or so and I don't remember Kebe being involved in either goal.

[Royalwaster]

In comparison to this, can't remember who it was against but it was in the PL; ball got spanked at goal - Harps did his star impression and it hit his arm. Result; penalty. But did Harps even get a yellow???? I can't remember him getting a yellow for it, but it sure wasn't a red.

You sure it was the PL? I remember this happening last season at home to Crystal Palace in a game we won 4:2.

[RoyalChicagoFC]

Right, keep "Back from the Game" off the sponsored Match Thread and all that, but anyway...

Don't fancy my chances of seeing the game in a pub given Spurs vs Villa is on at the same time. Let alone any egg chasing.

I've never seen it so crowded in there at teatime, and never mind the fact that it was voted the top football pub in the country in '07 and '08

The egg chasing accounted for half of the back room, and most of the rest were Tottenham dopes there for the Villa game; I got the owner, a Celtic guy, to give us one big screen in a corner, but it was right next to an amp blaring commentary from the Lane (and the guys sat at the table next to us were Liverpool boys who were there for some ongoing Jamie Carragher charity raffle --that game started at a quarter of seven in the morning )

Anyway, Howard was of course immense, Fed to the rescue in the end, a pen was necessary, and a simple booking for inadvertently handling a goal-bound shot would've been the judicious thing for all concerned IMO, but whatever, who the f*ck really cares

As the clock went past 90 minutes, they were showing a replay from eighty-six different angles and never showed how much time had been added on --I figured 4 was about right with the five substitutions made during normal time and the better part of two minutes spent getting Shelton ("Praying") Martis outta there; absolute panicked ignorance for six and a half agonising minutes and no audio to guide

Huge win, nice to make a noticeable bit of noise in a small corner of a crowded back room, yada yada, and now to do the janners on Tueserz

Fcuk off Hayter

James ("Don't Be A") Hayter

[Terminal Boardom]

James ("Don't Be A") Hayter

Is that related to Billy (Don't be a ) Hero?

[Matt de K]

In comparison to this, can't remember who it was against but it was in the PL; ball got spanked at goal - Harps did his star impression and it hit his arm. Result; penalty. But did Harps even get a yellow???? I can't remember him getting a yellow for it, but it sure wasn't a red.

You sure it was the PL? I remember this happening last season at home to Crystal Palace in a game we won 4:2.

No I'm not sure who it was against, but 100% remember the incident. Cheers for the correction

[brendywendy]

i remember one, i think its that harps one, also rememeber sonks for the same getting red

IMO its a pen, but i wouldnt even have booked him, obviously unintentional
but it did stop a goal

[Ian Royal]

i remember one, i think its that harps one, also rememeber sonks for the same getting red

IMO its a pen, but i wouldnt even have booked him, obviously unintentional
but it did stop a goal

Technically it's not a penalty or card. However, you wouldn't blame a ref for giving a penalty in the circumstances. Those decisions are tough to make. But you have to be absolutely 100% positive it was a deliberate attempt to prevent a goal for it to be a red card. And there is no way the ref should have been.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

. But you have to be absolutely 100% positive it was a deliberate attempt to prevent a goal for it to be a red card. And there is no way the ref should have been.

No you don't. Any foul that prevents a clear goalscoring opportunity is a mandatory red card. Intent to prevent a goal doesn't come into it.

"denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball"

"denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick"

[Ian Royal]

. But you have to be absolutely 100% positive it was a deliberate attempt to prevent a goal for it to be a red card. And there is no way the ref should have been.

No you don't. Any foul that prevents a clear goalscoring opportunity is a mandatory red card. Intent to prevent a goal doesn't come into it.

"denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball"

"denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick"

Bold - do you see the rather conflicting parts there?

italics - irrelevant seeing as the opponant was impeded in anyway. It was the ball's flight that was affected (by Mills torso & then arm)

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

. But you have to be absolutely 100% positive it was a deliberate attempt to prevent a goal for it to be a red card. And there is no way the ref should have been.

No you don't. Any foul that prevents a clear goalscoring opportunity is a mandatory red card. Intent to prevent a goal doesn't come into it.

"denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball"

"denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick"

Bold - do you see the rather conflicting parts there?

italics - irrelevant seeing as the opponant was impeded in anyway. It was the ball's flight that was affected (by Mills torso & then arm)

there is no offence of "accidentally handling" the ball. Any handball offence is deliberate handball.

It's deliberate handball or it's not handball. Those are the only two options.

[Ian Royal]

Then it's not handball.

But that doesn't stop it being frequently given as a penalty (so given refing is a hard job I'm not complaining about that), I've already seen one other handball in the box that granted a penalty but not a red card today. You seem them far more often than penalty AND a red.

[paultheroyal]

Then it's not handball.

But that doesn't stop it being frequently given as a penalty (so given refing is a hard job I'm not complaining about that), I've already seen one other handball in the box that granted a penalty but not a red card today. You seem them far more often than penalty AND a red.

But seen them given or not given and in whatever sequence, the fact is tonight he got it right!!

[Ian Royal]

Then it's not handball.

But that doesn't stop it being frequently given as a penalty (so given refing is a hard job I'm not complaining about that), I've already seen one other handball in the box that granted a penalty but not a red card today. You seem them far more often than penalty AND a red.

But seen them given or not given and in whatever sequence, the fact is tonight he got it right!!

I thought you were waiting to see it again. Because I've seen it about 5 times and there is no way it was deliberate. Mills was doing everything he could to head or chest it. He gained zero advantage by it hitting his arm, in fact in nearly caused him to score an own goal.

[PEARCEY]

We were hanging on at the end but a great and vital win. Howard did will. He does have very quick feet. Well done to Shane Long. Surely even his many detractors on here will admit he is a good header of the ball.

[Arch]

Good header of the ball and showed good composure three or four times today, notably his excellent, well-saved shot, cool tee-up for Howard (a shade underhit, maybe), and patient set-up for Karacan to blast over. Like the team as a whole, maybe the confidence is coming back. One thing you can say about Shane is he has always scored for us at a decent rate. Something Snowball is surely right about.

[Bristol Royalz]

Player Ratings (from internet tv)

Federici - 8 earned his money at the end
Griffin - 7 what we've lacked a reliable right back
Bertrand 6 - Seemed to get caught out, but had moments going forward
Ingimarsson 7 - Very strong
Mills 6 - It was a red card (would have been 8 before that)
McAnuff 5 out of sorts
Karacan 6 - Involved although on the edge
Gunnarsson 6- Passing was a bit off but worked hard
Howard 8 - Really wanted it tonight
Kebe 7 - our out ball and danger man when we were struggling early in the game
Long 7 - Kept going and determined

Church 6 - A useful cameo for second goal.
Zurab 6 - Kept it tight.