BFTG - Brum

[paultheroyal]

Hein made some key saves last night - some maybe not expected to save which helped contribute to those 3 points. Looks assured to me. Distribution and kicking from hands is poor and needs to improve vastly, but i am comfortable with him in goal, but fully expecting him to be the next "fans target" which has already started.

[NathStPaul]

Hein made some key saves last night - some maybe not expected to save which helped contribute to those 3 points. Looks assured to me. Distribution and kicking from hands is poor and needs to improve vastly, but i am comfortable with him in goal, but fully expecting him to be the next "fans target" which has already started.

Once he stops making really bad mistakes like he did with the Birmingham goal last night I'm sure he will stop being a target. You can't just ignore the fact he cocked up massively because we won the game.

[paultheroyal]

Hein made some key saves last night - some maybe not expected to save which helped contribute to those 3 points. Looks assured to me. Distribution and kicking from hands is poor and needs to improve vastly, but i am comfortable with him in goal, but fully expecting him to be the next "fans target" which has already started.

Once he stops making really bad mistakes like he did with the Birmingham goal last night I'm sure he will stop being a target. You can't just ignore the fact he cocked up massively because we won the game.

He needs to be cut some slack - being pounced on left right and centre - this is after being in the team that has collected 7 points from 9 when the the last time that happened was 25 September 2021!!

He got done when that phase of play was just a mess contributed by that mong of a fan....

He also made saves where no-one would of moaned if they actually had gone in.

[NathStPaul]

Hein made some key saves last night - some maybe not expected to save which helped contribute to those 3 points. Looks assured to me. Distribution and kicking from hands is poor and needs to improve vastly, but i am comfortable with him in goal, but fully expecting him to be the next "fans target" which has already started.

Once he stops making really bad mistakes like he did with the Birmingham goal last night I'm sure he will stop being a target. You can't just ignore the fact he cocked up massively because we won the game.

He needs to be cut some slack - being pounced on left right and centre - this is after being in the team that has collected 7 points from 9 when the the last time that happened was 25 September 2021!!

He got done when that phase of play was just a mess contributed by that mong of a fan....

He also made saves where no-one would of moaned if they actually had gone in.

All of the above is true but you also have to call what you see. It isn't good enough to throw out phrases such as "Hein is shit" or "not good enough" like some are because we just don't know that yet. It also isn't right that mistakes are ignored because we won a game or are on a good run, it can't be glossed over that he is very flappy on crosses and high balls into the box. I'm sure he is disappointed with the goal he let in so I don't think it is an issue for anyone to point out he should have done better, he will know that more than anyone.

He hasn't cost us a game yet, he has made saves which are both positives. I hope Paul Ince brings in a keeper coach who has experience of working with young keepers and can improve the distribution and crosses.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Hein made some key saves last night - some maybe not expected to save which helped contribute to those 3 points. Looks assured to me. Distribution and kicking from hands is poor and needs to improve vastly, but i am comfortable with him in goal, but fully expecting him to be the next "fans target" which has already started.

Once he stops making really bad mistakes like he did with the Birmingham goal last night I'm sure he will stop being a target. You can't just ignore the fact he cocked up massively because we won the game.

He needs to be cut some slack - being pounced on left right and centre - this is after being in the team that has collected 7 points from 9 when the the last time that happened was 25 September 2021!!

He got done when that phase of play was just a mess contributed by that mong of a fan....

He also made saves where no-one would of moaned if they actually had gone in.

I personally don't think the saves he made were anything I wouldn't have expected him to make really. Taylor's effort in the first half and a couple by Hernandez, but I wasn't sat there thinking he's made a save I wouldn't have generally expected. Of course, the saves he made were good and he had a decent game overall, it's just being a goalkeeper is a volatile position and you will get picked up on when you make errors or you're unconvincing, which he was on a couple of occasions last night.

[Hendo]

Forgot how much of a bellend Lyle Taylor is. Thought in the first half we did well to keep very close to him, especially Holmes. Could see he was getting more and more frustrated.

Giving the shush to C1871 while losing was a lol moment for sure.

[Coppells Lost Coat]

Once he stops making really bad mistakes like he did with the Birmingham goal last night I'm sure he will stop being a target. You can't just ignore the fact he cocked up massively because we won the game.

He needs to be cut some slack - being pounced on left right and centre - this is after being in the team that has collected 7 points from 9 when the the last time that happened was 25 September 2021!!

He got done when that phase of play was just a mess contributed by that mong of a fan....

He also made saves where no-one would of moaned if they actually had gone in.

All of the above is true but you also have to call what you see. It isn't good enough to throw out phrases such as "Hein is shit" or "not good enough" like some are because we just don't know that yet. It also isn't right that mistakes are ignored because we won a game or are on a good run, it can't be glossed over that he is very flappy on crosses and high balls into the box. I'm sure he is disappointed with the goal he let in so I don't think it is an issue for anyone to point out he should have done better, he will know that more than anyone.

He hasn't cost us a game yet, he has made saves which are both positives. I hope Paul Ince brings in a keeper coach who has experience of working with young keepers and can improve the distribution and crosses.

I am not convinced that Hein was at fault for the goal, it happens, player shapes up to cross, keeper sets himself to collect and the player mishits and it arrows into the far top corner. Complete fluke.
From what I have seen of Hein he is a more commanding keeper in the air but distribution is woeful compared to Southwood. Hein hasn't directly cost us points - there have been times you can question if he 'could' have done better. But no clanger moment yet, just a few flaps on crosses where the wind was about 70mph.

Hein remains in goal as you dont change a winning team. There should be no questioning his place in the team

[Kitsondinho]

Hein made some key saves last night - some maybe not expected to save which helped contribute to those 3 points. Looks assured to me. Distribution and kicking from hands is poor and needs to improve vastly, but i am comfortable with him in goal, but fully expecting him to be the next "fans target" which has already started.

Once he stops making really bad mistakes like he did with the Birmingham goal last night I'm sure he will stop being a target. You can't just ignore the fact he cocked up massively because we won the game.

He needs to be cut some slack - being pounced on left right and centre - this is after being in the team that has collected 7 points from 9 when the the last time that happened was 25 September 2021!!

He got done when that phase of play was just a mess contributed by that mong of a fan....

He also made saves where no-one would of moaned if they actually had gone in.

Why cut him some slack? Earlier this season both Rafael and Southwood have been ‘pounced on’ for similar errors. The fact we’ve picked up 7 points from 9 doesn’t mean we can’t call him out. 1 clean sheet in 5. 8 conceded in 5. If Peterboro could hit a barn door, it’d be fewer points and more let in. At no point has anyone said he is ‘shit’. We’ve all acknowledged his excellent shot stopping. However, his flapping at crossed and terrible distribution remains a concern. It will cost us at some point.

[Millsy]

Yawn.

What's the next useless debate we can have. Um.... actually I can't think of one. Ok carry on. Something vaguely divisive to talk about now that Pauno's gone I guess.

[paultheroyal]

Once he stops making really bad mistakes like he did with the Birmingham goal last night I'm sure he will stop being a target. You can't just ignore the fact he cocked up massively because we won the game.

He needs to be cut some slack - being pounced on left right and centre - this is after being in the team that has collected 7 points from 9 when the the last time that happened was 25 September 2021!!

He got done when that phase of play was just a mess contributed by that mong of a fan....

He also made saves where no-one would of moaned if they actually had gone in.

Why cut him some slack? Earlier this season both Rafael and Southwood have been ‘pounced on’ for similar errors. The fact we’ve picked up 7 points from 9 doesn’t mean we can’t call him out. 1 clean sheet in 5. 8 conceded in 5. If Peterboro could hit a barn door, it’d be fewer points and more let in. At no point has anyone said he is ‘shit’. We’ve all acknowledged his excellent shot stopping. However, his flapping at crossed and terrible distribution remains a concern. It will cost us at some point.

but its not costing us now and you know, in the meantime, with game time, he might even get better, now theres a thought.

But hey, wouldnt be Reading if fan based moved onto another player and its clearly Hein's turn.

[NathStPaul]

Yawn.

What's the next useless debate we can have. Um.... actually I can't think of one. Ok carry on. Something vaguely divisive to talk about now that Pauno's gone I guess.

Why is it a "useless debate"?

[NathStPaul]

He needs to be cut some slack - being pounced on left right and centre - this is after being in the team that has collected 7 points from 9 when the the last time that happened was 25 September 2021!!

He got done when that phase of play was just a mess contributed by that mong of a fan....

He also made saves where no-one would of moaned if they actually had gone in.

Why cut him some slack? Earlier this season both Rafael and Southwood have been ‘pounced on’ for similar errors. The fact we’ve picked up 7 points from 9 doesn’t mean we can’t call him out. 1 clean sheet in 5. 8 conceded in 5. If Peterboro could hit a barn door, it’d be fewer points and more let in. At no point has anyone said he is ‘shit’. We’ve all acknowledged his excellent shot stopping. However, his flapping at crossed and terrible distribution remains a concern. It will cost us at some point.

but its not costing us now and you know, in the meantime, with game time, he might even get better, now theres a thought.

But hey, wouldnt be Reading if fan based moved onto another player and its clearly Hein's turn.

Paul, you're better than that. It isn't Hein's "turn". It is just people with eyes who are pointing out massive errors he is making. It is irrelevant if the misakes are costing us or not, we can still see them and don't have to ignore them.

[Millsy]

Yawn.

What's the next useless debate we can have. Um.... actually I can't think of one. Ok carry on. Something vaguely divisive to talk about now that Pauno's gone I guess.

Why is it a "useless debate"?

As you've said and I agree, there's really not much between them and in my opinion success or failure of our relegation campaign certainly doesn't depend on which keeper we use at the moment. I couldn't give a flying flamingo really who's in goal. Seems to be more people with agendas to defend "one of our own" and not happy about the odd (I agree it's a bit odd) signing who are keeping the 'debate' alive. I literally can't think of a more pointless one in recent times. Of course like any player if there is a series of mega-howlers costing points then changes will be made. If not, meh. Take your pick.

We can all agree none of them is up for it and we need a new keeper.

[Kitsondinho]

Why cut him some slack? Earlier this season both Rafael and Southwood have been ‘pounced on’ for similar errors. The fact we’ve picked up 7 points from 9 doesn’t mean we can’t call him out. 1 clean sheet in 5. 8 conceded in 5. If Peterboro could hit a barn door, it’d be fewer points and more let in. At no point has anyone said he is ‘shit’. We’ve all acknowledged his excellent shot stopping. However, his flapping at crossed and terrible distribution remains a concern. It will cost us at some point.

but its not costing us now and you know, in the meantime, with game time, he might even get better, now theres a thought.

But hey, wouldnt be Reading if fan based moved onto another player and its clearly Hein's turn.

Paul, you're better than that. It isn't Hein's "turn". It is just people with eyes who are pointing out massive errors he is making. It is irrelevant if the misakes are costing us or not, we can still see them and don't have to ignore them.

Exactly. I’m at Blackpool on Saturday, I’m not going to boo Hein. I’m not going to shout abuse at him. I’m just not convinced he is what we need goal right now, due to the mistakes he is making. I just want him to be judged by the same standards as the other two keepers we’ve had in the first team this season, who made similar errors and were called out on it.

[Kitsondinho]

Yawn.

What's the next useless debate we can have. Um.... actually I can't think of one. Ok carry on. Something vaguely divisive to talk about now that Pauno's gone I guess.

Why is it a "useless debate"?

As you've said and I agree, there's really not much between them and in my opinion success or failure of our relegation campaign certainly doesn't depend on which keeper we use at the moment. I couldn't give a flying flamingo really who's in goal. Seems to be more people with agendas to defend "one of our own" and not happy about the odd (I agree it's a bit odd) signing who are keeping the 'debate' alive. I literally can't think of a more pointless one in recent times. Of course like any player if there is a series of mega-howlers costing points then changes will be made. If not, meh. Take your pick.

We can all agree none of them is up for it and we need a new keeper.

This +1000

[URZZZZ]

He needs to be cut some slack - being pounced on left right and centre - this is after being in the team that has collected 7 points from 9 when the the last time that happened was 25 September 2021!!

He got done when that phase of play was just a mess contributed by that mong of a fan....

He also made saves where no-one would of moaned if they actually had gone in.

Why cut him some slack? Earlier this season both Rafael and Southwood have been ‘pounced on’ for similar errors. The fact we’ve picked up 7 points from 9 doesn’t mean we can’t call him out. 1 clean sheet in 5. 8 conceded in 5. If Peterboro could hit a barn door, it’d be fewer points and more let in. At no point has anyone said he is ‘shit’. We’ve all acknowledged his excellent shot stopping. However, his flapping at crossed and terrible distribution remains a concern. It will cost us at some point.

but its not costing us now and you know, in the meantime, with game time, he might even get better, now theres a thought.

But hey, wouldnt be Reading if fan based moved onto another player and its clearly Hein's turn.

I think it we should all scapegoat Laurent now. 8 straight defeats with him starting. 3 games since and we have a PPG of 2.33. He must have been the problem!

[NathStPaul]

Why is it a "useless debate"?

As you've said and I agree, there's really not much between them and in my opinion success or failure of our relegation campaign certainly doesn't depend on which keeper we use at the moment. I couldn't give a flying flamingo really who's in goal. Seems to be more people with agendas to defend "one of our own" and not happy about the odd (I agree it's a bit odd) signing who are keeping the 'debate' alive. I literally can't think of a more pointless one in recent times. Of course like any player if there is a series of mega-howlers costing points then changes will be made. If not, meh. Take your pick.

We can all agree none of them is up for it and we need a new keeper.

This +1000

Yeah that is definitely fair comment. Would hope the club will be going into the free agent market in the summer for an experienced keeper.

As long as it isn't Ben Hamer.....

[South Coast Royal]

Would have preferred a senior keeper to come in for the rest of the season-we have done well with such players over the years-but Hein hasn't done so badly as he has been playing behind a very uncertain defence.

Last night I thought that Tommy Mac was all at sea for the first 15 minutes but got back into his stride and finished the game well.
Rhino, especially early on was back to his old self.
I like Hoilett's aggressive running with the ball and general commitment.

Without Joao and Swift we are serious relegation contenders, but the same goes for a number of teams at this level who have one or two good players plus a number of moderate ones, including Birmingham with Bela and Hernandez both dangerous last night.

As Sanguine said, no obvious new manager effect as it is just too early but two wins must surely boost the players' confidence and there is a semblance of a more settled side.

BTW Tom Holmes continues to get stick on here but his attitude is always good and playing left-sided centre-back his distribution had to be mainly left-footed and I think he did ok.

Lastly, the first game I can remember at home where we didn't have a single corner, in part probably because both Ince and Hoilett like to cut in on their favourite foot.

[South Coast Royal]

Oh, I forgot-the ref.
Hooper is dreadful but at least he gave us a penalty, however he bottled sending off the Birmingham fair-haired defender who had already been booked.

IIRC he hasn't sent anybody off this season which must mean that he is not following the rules (laws?) correctly and I don't think he is now doing so many Prem. games.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

If you take the likes of Lewis-Potter out of Hull's side, Hernandez and Bela out of Birmingham's side and Weimann out of Bristol City's side they'd be relegation candidates for sure.

I thought Holmes did pretty well yesterday, wasn't always steady, a couple of nervy moments but overall he wasn't bad.

What I would say is we were pretty poor from the restart in the 2nd half and we didn't get going nearly as quickly as we should have, Birmingham really could have taken advantage at that point in the game. They also had a good spell from the 20th minute until about the 35th. Of course teams will have spells in the game, but they were building some real momentum at that point.