by tee peg » 17 Sep 2008 09:32
by North Somerset Royal » 17 Sep 2008 09:40
by Whistle » 17 Sep 2008 11:37
North Somerset RoyalWhistle A lot of STH didn't come. I thought there was only about 15,000-16,000 in the ground.
The club ought to publish the number attending as well as tickets sold.
The official attendance is the number attending as recorded by the turnstiles on the night. Any ST not attending are not counted. There were 18150 there last night and thats what it looked like.
by Deathy » 17 Sep 2008 12:15
by North Somerset Royal » 17 Sep 2008 12:16
by Deathy » 17 Sep 2008 12:18
by Whistle » 17 Sep 2008 15:21
North Somerset Royal Its not a question of club policy. Its the law. Under Health & Safety legislation all clubs have to record actual numbers entering the stadium and maintain a record for inspection. At the Mad Stad the turnstiles record the information electronically and then the figures are adjusted to take account of those in the non turnstile areas (hospitality, Directors, players etc ) That is why the information is given out during the second half. If it was number of tickets sold they could announce it before the kick off. In any event sometimes the OS gives the number of tickets sold (inc ST's) as well as the attendance. For example last season the club sold 24161 seats for the Spurs game but attendance was 21322 home + 2803 away total 24125
by Stranded » 17 Sep 2008 15:40
by Baines » 17 Sep 2008 15:43
Big Foot Looked very bare in parts of the North Stand last night
by Whistle » 17 Sep 2008 16:40
Stranded But what exactly would be the point of recording and reporting one figure, that could easily be found out if required, but announcing a different figure to those present.
It's not as if it actually matters does it?
by North Somerset Royal » 18 Sep 2008 00:15
by Stranded » 18 Sep 2008 08:58
WhistleStranded But what exactly would be the point of recording and reporting one figure, that could easily be found out if required, but announcing a different figure to those present.
It's not as if it actually matters does it?
Clubs think it looks better if the figures are higher - often success is gauged by % of capacity filled.
For marketing purposes they need to know how many STH don;t turn up - I heard it was 1 in 6 for an August Bank holiday or Saturday game a few years ago. But it's not easy to find out this info - or if it is NSR can tell us all the figures for last season.
Bradford City are claiming a big success for their reduced price STH - 13,000 "showed" for an end of season midweeker with Barnet with nothing at stake in League Two - their lowest gate of the season. Sounds incredible.
I think fans would rather know the truth - crowd figures are something that's been part of football results for decades.
by Whistle » 18 Sep 2008 16:29
North Somerset Royal No sorry I dont know what the ratio of non shows by ST holders is. Even back at Elm Park I heard people saying that the figures announced were not right and I suppose that in the days of cash paid at mechanical turnstiles there was plenty of scope for error. However all the cases I am aware of where football clubs were found to be massaging the attendance figures were ones where they were understating attendances and creaming off cash to evade tax.
There is less scope for that with computerised turnstiles and ticketing and the figures announced at the game are the same as those recorded by the league published in the press etc. I cannot believe that JM would allow attendances to be overstated thereby tentially increasing the clubs tax liability just to make it look as if they have more supporters.
by Stranded » 19 Sep 2008 08:58
by North Somerset Royal » 19 Sep 2008 18:57
WhistleNorth Somerset Royal No sorry I dont know what the ratio of non shows by ST holders is. Even back at Elm Park I heard people saying that the figures announced were not right and I suppose that in the days of cash paid at mechanical turnstiles there was plenty of scope for error. However all the cases I am aware of where football clubs were found to be massaging the attendance figures were ones where they were understating attendances and creaming off cash to evade tax.
There is less scope for that with computerised turnstiles and ticketing and the figures announced at the game are the same as those recorded by the league published in the press etc. I cannot believe that JM would allow attendances to be overstated thereby tentially increasing the clubs tax liability just to make it look as if they have more supporters.
You're missing the point. The club are stating what the revenue is - i.e. tickets sold - so it's not a fiddle. What I don't think they are stating when they announce the attendance is - literally - how many are attending - i.e. they are including the no shows.
No-one's taken up the point about Bradford City yet?
by Ian Royal » 20 Sep 2008 11:14
by Dirk Gently » 20 Sep 2008 11:21
by RoyalBlue » 20 Sep 2008 12:57
Dirk Gently As I understand it, the club always used to announce the attendance as the number of people through the turnstiles (i.e. discounting STHs who didn't turn up.)
But Premier League policy is to announce number of tickets sold (i.e. including STH no-shows), so we had to change our policy 2 years ago to match. The PL is very conscious of PR and image and don't want low attendance figures at certain grounds (e.g. Middlesboro, Wigan etc) being used as a metric against them, so they insist all clubs in their league release figures that way.
It now looks like we've just not changed back to the previous system.
HTH!
by Sarah Star » 20 Sep 2008 12:58
by Whore Jackie » 20 Sep 2008 14:07
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